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  1. susan sparks says:

    thanks for your economic spin on my article re: ordination of women in the southern baptist church. great stuff! we have a house in wisconsin and head through fargo almost every year on our harley! thanks for your post. susan

    • Profile photo of Jon Lindgren Jon Lindgren says:

      Pastor Susan 7:56 What a treat to have a genuine celebrety stopping by here. Thanks. Keep up the good work.

      • Heidi Carico says:

        Thanks for proving that women ‘pastors’ are against God’s word. That’s why an atheist approves of them. ;) But then everyone knows that the bible says that women are to remain silent during worship services, so their disobedience isn’t even subtle. There’s a spiritual significance to the design of men and women but unbelievers and people who merely pay lip service to Jesus don’t know what it is…as if God is a stupid fool who can’t discern wolves from sheep. But He can, as they’ll sadly find out on judgment day. :(

  2. Mike Newell says:

    I’ve just produced a book…
    I would like to email you some information about it.
    Please let me know what email address I should use.
    I look forward to hearing from you.
    Many thanks
    Mike Newell

  3. Wakiza says:

    I really enjoy your writings. Thank you for being a “face” for all of us “Freethinkers”.

  4. Alex says:

    Where can I find current information on Freethinker meetings? I would really like to come check it out.

    • Profile photo of Jon Lindgren Jon Lindgren says:

      Alex 3:00 Hi Alex, thanks for posting. Our next meeting is this Sunday, April 21, 1 PM and the Plain Art Muesum, 704 1st Ave N (downtown) Fargo. The program is a talk by one of our new members who has traveled the world for several years and met with atheists in several countries. We’ll also chat and get aquainted. There will be other new people there.

  5. Sharon Kass says:

    “Gay” is parent-caused, preventable, and treatable.

    Justice Anthony Kennedy is a neurotic who had a bully for a father and has resented God ever since.


    The truth will out.

    • Profile photo of Jon Lindgren Jon Lindgren says:

      Sharon 2:56 Welcome to the discussion page. All comments are welcome.

      I did open your link briefly. When I saw a headline, “Learn about a former gay man who…” I moved on. Groups like narth always provide personal testimony, never allowing their records to be examined by outside research to determine what is meant by “cured” and what happens to their clients over their lifetimes. So far as we know, they are summarily unsuccessful, as witnessed by the closure and apology of Exodus International.

      Reparative theropy is actually quite a cruel enterprise.

      • Wiggins says:

        So much for the thought of a “free thinker.” Sounds more like the closed mind of an arrogant person who cannot accept any experience that differs from his own preconceived notions.

        • Profile photo of Jon Lindgren Jon Lindgren says:

          Wiggins 12:50 “So much for the thought of a ‘free thinker'”.

          Freethinker does not mean one accepts ideas that are outside or facts or reason.

          I wrote correctly that those who “quoted” Jesus never heard Jesus say anything. My opinion is they had bad intentions of making people feel guilty for nothing but the ideas of sin, made up by those who wanted to control the less powerful.

  6. Wiggins says:

    Sorry. Didn’t realize that I mentioned anything about Jesus or any mentioned anything about any quotes. I thought I was just responding to your reply to Sharon. Apparently my bad.

    • Profile photo of Jon Lindgren Jon Lindgren says:

      Wiggins 1:35 No problem.. I was uncertain what was going on. Best to write the person and time one is responding to because we usually have three conversations going on at one time. I myself see only a admin screen which is probably keeps track of conversations a little better.

  7. Jon Abel says:

    For someone who claimed to be for secularism, you spent most of your time – turning the RRFT into and LGBT group. You spent much more time – even in your parting article – propping up the LGBT community far more times than the secular community. You are a hypocrite, Lingren. You made it much harder for atheists in the FM area – not easier. Good riddance to you.

    • Profile photo of Jon Lindgren Jon Lindgren says:

      Thank you for the first time post, Jon.

      “Good riddance to you.”

      For other readers, Jon has been critical of me and some others in the atheist community–that is his right.

      As to the LGBT community, Jon, some members of RRF are from the LGBT community. So far as I know, the majority of our RRF support the LGBT community. We march with our RRF sign in the Gay Pride Parade. I remember you became quite angry a few years ago when LGBT issues were discussed in the RRF list serve.

      The reason I discuss LGBT issues here is because the issue spills over into religion. In fact, it is virtually impossible to discuss LGBT without discussing religion. This site discusses religion mostly.

  8. Zach says:

    Ok so does free thinkers mean that you sit and bash Chrsitianity all the time? I just bagan to browse you posts and that seems to be the majority of what I see. I mean to each his own, but it seems that you are more bound by religion than those who are religious. Christians have done plenty of things wrong, but what about the good that has also been done? I mean correct me if I am wrong, if “free thinking” involves dwelling on one subject you are technically not free. Maybe I just am not free in my thinking because I call myself a Chrisitan.

    • Profile photo of Jon Lindgren Jon Lindgren says:

      Zach 10:42 Thanks for the comment. As to the definition of a freethinker, it has not changed for over 100 years. It is a person who does not accept without argument beliefs handed down by authorities, either religious or civil.

      Many people seem to think the definition of a freethinker is one who accepts any view. This is not the case.

      As to what I write about, the title of the blog is Thoughts of a Freethinker, so I cover topics I think about. I’ve offered up many compliments to religions and religious people. Both are fine. I’m drawn to inconsistences and inherent flaws in religious dogma.

      • Zach says:

        Jon 11:04 Thanks for the reply. I have seen you have been respectful in your responses to people. My post is not an attack at your belief system rather just an observation that I saw with a little browsing. In my mind a freethinker is someone who does not just accept any view, but is open to looking at it and being respectful of the idea. (Am I close?) Religion does have many flaws, but I think where you find the problem with religion is man. Throughout time religion has changed. Looking at the Nicean Council you see a group trying to appease the ruling Roman Emperor. Many “Religious” decisions throughout time have been made based more on political ideals than faith.

        I do enjoy reading what you have to say (sometimes). Sometimes we as Christians need to see how we look in others eyes. While judgment does no good healthy observation can help a Christian improve. I hope that you did not find this or my previous post offensive or disrespectful.

        • Wolfy32 says:

          On the contrary Zach, I respect Christians like you and there’s been a couple others on here that have respectfully engaged in intellectual and rational conversation. Jon has been more patient than I probably would have been with some.

          That said, my issue with Christianity is less about dogma and more about whether spirituality is real? I used to remove the christianity from the belief in God. Because I believe rules, rituals, and actions are not things God cares so much about, but more man made rules for how to live without causing problems to society.

          That said, with so many different belief systems across the globe. I have a tough time reconciling that 6 billion people are going to hell because they didn’t choose to be Christian, and of the 1 billion that are christian how many are actually spiritually christian compared to those that just go for show?

          So, 6.5 billion people of 7 billion are going to hell? There’s too much that doesn’t make sense to me within the realm of any of the world’s religions.

        • Profile photo of Jon Lindgren Jon Lindgren says:

          Zach 4:04 Nice post.
          In my mind a freethinker is someone who does not just accept any view, but is open to looking at it and being respectful of the idea.

          I don’t claim to be an authority on the definition of atheism, freethinking or other terms. I’m still learning myself. That said, I would say the first half of your sentence is accurate but the second half questionable. What any of us mean by the word “respective” will not be universal.

          Freethinking is simply not accepting without evidence the views of authorities, religious or civil. If there are views out there expressed by authorities that have no evidence I see no reason to respect them. Besides no evidence, the motives of those promoting those views might be self serving and downright dangerous. Why would anyone say the views of suicide cults or rape cults should be treated “respectfully”?

          I see no evidence why branches of Christianity should conclude women cannot hold positions of power equal to men. The motive for this view is simply self serving for men. I see no reason to be respectful of such a view.

          Another example is religions who preach discrimination of homosexual people. I see no reason to be respectful of the view that law abiding citizens who happen to have a sexual orientation different from the majority should be considered undesirable or inferior and should deprived of the same opportunities as straight people.

          • Wolfy32 says:

            There’s one way I would disagree with your statement Jon, and that is if the orientation / preference of the person is violating and/or abusive to others.

            I’ve heard it said recently (from police) that some people just have the preference / orientation of children and / or teens. And there may not be much the abusers themselves can do about it. “Rehab programs” have been ineffective or mediocre results.

            So, what if research shows 5-10 years from now that people naturally have a legitimate natural sexual orientation for children and/or teens?

            Their orientation is different from the majority, but, a small percentage of the general population may have no choice but to go unfulfilled in life if they don’t want to be imprisoned. I’m not saying their preference is o.k. I think we would all agree that those behaviors are harmful to others. Yet, they may simply have a natural orientation different from the majority.

          • Adam Heckathorn says:

            Wolfy I think the key difference is consenting Adults vs Children . In My work We are trained in ethical treatment of vulnerable adults another area demanding ethical behavior.

          • Wolfy32 says:

            I agree Adam! Also goes to show that ethics and morals govern more than just the religious.

          • Adam Heckathorn says:

            Ethical behavior is reasonable and in the best interest of The Individual exercising it. If anything it has been My experience religion can replace ethical behavior with a pseudo ethical behavior which examined closely tends to enable unethical behavior like a mental shell game. An example of which is Bishops protecting perverts.

  9. Larry Alderink says:

    Of course Hellenistic religions were similar in some regards and different in other regards. Time to move to another question or two: of the hundreds of gods, what happened to them? any survive? of the hundreds of religions, have any survived? Did any have strategies for survival?

    • Profile photo of Jon Lindgren Jon Lindgren says:

      Larry 4:07 Thanks for posting. Please join the fun here and post again.

      Of course Hellenistic religions were similar in some regards and different in other regards.

      That is exactly Richard Carrier’s conclusions. He finds them more similar than different–others can disagree.
      of the hundreds of gods, what happened to them? any survive? of the hundreds of religions, have any survived? Did any have strategies for survival?

      Great questions. I’ve wondered too, why don’t Christians feel an obligation to “prove” these gods did not, or, do not exist. They are forever telling us skeptics we must “prove” their god does not exist. On what happened to all those gods, I think I know. They died when people found another god fit the culture of the times better. All gods have a shelf life.

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