What If The Social Justice Gospel Married Anti Abortion Protests

Finally the idea some women face legitimate difficulties and need abortions is getting some play in the Christian press.

To most anti abortion activists it’s simple, stack the Supreme Court with anti abortion judges and overturn Roe. A new angle is emerging, waiting out the Supreme Court is a fool’s errand. Abortions will go on until the end of time, legal or not. A more worthy goal is to reduce the number.

There are people who are against abortions but not obsessed with punishing woman. They want to help women who need abortions. They acknowledge women who face substantial dilemmas and see abortion as their only choice.

The woman who authored the link does not identify with protesters and their rosary beads praying out loud in front of abortion clinics. She sympathizes with the women who have to walk by them. Yet, she thinks of the fetus as a human being and is not part of women for choice. She wonders how she might enter the debate.

The Catholic Church has long preached the social gospel, helping those in need. The link author sees woman who need abortions as a group that should be helped and that helping them will reduce abortion numbers. She wants to see that discussed.

Abortion medicines, legal and illegal, are increasingly available. The doctor and abortion clinic are no longer villains.

The only villain left is the woman. The social gospel is needed now to change the conversation from punishment of women to a better tomorrow for them.

22 Responses

  1. First, no one “needs” an abortion, especially the unborn child. A child dies during an abortion.

    The straw man arguments created by Jon are not true. Pregnancies can be stressful, but especially if a woman is unmarried, has no support system or faces other pressures. Aside from rape and incest, the act of intercourse was her decision and that of her male partner. The consequences of sex are many; disease, pregnancy, loss of reputation, etc. Too many times the consenting couples think only of pleasure. Whatever their intent, the consequences are not unknown. Condoms, pills, implants and other devices are not foolproof. Sexual liberation has not solved problems, it has created them. Sex was meant for marriage. Some coupes who find themselves in unplanned pregnancies face the consequences and do what is right for the baby. Death is not what’s right for the baby.

    So called “stacking the Supreme Court” is a strategy that all sides of political debates employ. That is why Presidential politics are important since the power to nominate Justices lies solely with the President. Advice and consent by the US Senate is then required for confirmation. The Supreme Court of the USA is not only political but has wrongly decided many cases, the most famous two seeming to be Dred Scott and Roe. One enshrined slavery only to be overturned. One enshrined abortion and could easily be overturned.

    The simple facts of modern USA is that women in crisis pregnancies are most often helped by family and Christian-based crisis pregnancy centers (CPCs). They are not helped by Planned Parenthood or abortionists. If a woman needs help before her baby is born, she get is from local CPCs. If she needs help during birth, she gets it from the CPCs and the local hospitals. If she needs help after the baby is born, she gets it from local CPCs, churches and synagogues. If she wants an abortion, she pays for one from Planned Parenthood or the local abortion center.

    Catholics and other Christians who pray outside abortion centers do so to ask God to intercede on behalf of the child, the mother and the abortion workers to spare the baby. Jon’s imagination concerning shouting, angry mobs is pure fantasy as is most of his writings. A quick visit to the abortion center on First Avenue North just east of Broadway in Fargo puts the lie to his assertions.

    The Fargo Forum should abort Lindgren’s blog. There is usually nothing factually correct about his rants.

    1. Matt 10:00 Catholics and other Christians who do so to ask God….

      Your essay would be a little appealing but for one unstated item. It is all about harming women’s lives and enhancing the power of men. Most of us can see through it.

      Propose something equally devastating to men, jail time and all the rest, and you would not sound so self serving.

      1. Trying to infer that any unstated item is all about harming women’s lives is ridiculous. Here is a short list of my unstated items: (1) nuclear proliferation, (2) the NBA and (3) world geography.

        As I DID state, abortion kills a human being. No one NEEDS an abortion. Read my essay again for what I DID state.

        The pro-abortion lobby, of which are a cheerleader, is all about harming women and destroying babies. It doesn’t do much for men, either. Abortion is not reversible.

        If you are about punishment, then men should be brought to account for the children they father. Right now, the child is paying the ultimate punishment – death. But make no mistake, both women and men suffer from abortion. Men have no say over the life of their child; assuming they want to be a part of the picture. If anything, abortion has ‘liberated’ men from both responsibility and any say in the life of their unborn child. In my way of thinking, that is not liberation.

        1. Matt 9:06 If you are right about punishment, then men should be brought to account for the children the father.

          Please continue. What should their punishment be? (It should be equal to the punishment of women.)

    2. Matthew Greenley

      First, no one needs heroin. Especially a heroin addict. Aside from unwittingly becoming addicted from a lawful medical prescription, heroin addiction is unacceptable deviant behavior. Heroin use is voluntary, and the risks are many: death, HIV, hepatitis, loss of reputation, loss of family relationships, loss of employment, incarceration, and this list does not include all of the externalities. The consequences of heroin use have been well known since the 1920s, and the consequences of morphine and opium use have been known much longer.

      Opium is strictly meant for the treatment of pain relief. Some people addicted to opium do the right thing and stop. The rest die. People die.

      The simple fact is that anyone with opioid dependency should visit his medical provider, who will stop the opioid prescription and give him a prescription for alternative pain relief. That way, he will not die from addiction to heroin.

      Christians fulfill their responsibility to heroin addicts by outlawing non-medical heroin use. Christians otherwise have no responsibility to people who are addicted to heroin, because heroin addiction is a voluntary unacceptable behavior, and death is a known consequence. Christians have no responsibility to fund treatment centers. Christians have no responsibility to give food to an unemployed addict. Christians have no responsibility to take care of an addict’s children, because the impact on the children is a well-known consequence of addiction. If Christians pray more and picket the heroin addicts, heroin use will eventually stop.

        1. Matthew Greenley

          Lindgren originally cited an article written by Gebel, who proposed reducing the number of abortions through social policy such as liberal parental leave, universal health care, and child care. She does not promise these policies would end abortion, but she suggests they would reduce abortions. Many bristle at this idea nonetheless, because they reject fiscal responsibility for a person’s allegedly immoral choice, i.e., sex outside of marriage. The standard counter argument to Gebel’s article is: society has no obligation, logically or morally, to incentivize a prospective murderer to not murder because murder is depraved. Therefore, the righteous Christians need not provide any support to the million shamed mothers walking past them every year on the sidewalks of Planned Parenthood. However, this argument only holds water when Christ asks no more from Christians than their strident disapproval of abortion and subsequent punishment of abortionists. By that logic, He would not have Christians taxed in order to provide parental leave, health care, or child care to the pregnant mothers, even if doing so would save hundreds of thousands of lives every year. Therein lies the darkness: because the mothers brought their plights unto themselves, just like the heroin addicts in my parody brought their addiction on themselves, the self righteous are absolved of providing support to save the sinners’ unborn and they need not rescue the dying addicts. But you do not have to guess what Jesus really wants, because he said “to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.”

          1. Catcher

            @ 3;03; In your 9;17, Last paragraph, you attribute claims by Christians that is just not true, with the possible exemption of a small radical minority. Consequently, your broad brush of accusations is greatly flawed., dishonest,- – – – and impossibly convoluted.

            I suspect you have an experiential back story we would all like to hear.

          2. Jinx II

            Excellent point Matthew!!!! ” Therein lies the darkness: because the mothers brought their plights unto themselves, just like the heroin addicts in my parody brought their addiction on themselves, the self righteous are absolved of providing support to save the sinners’ unborn and they need not rescue the dying addicts. But you do not have to guess what Jesus really wants, because he said “to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.” “

          3. Matthew 3:03 Excellent post.

            when Christ asks no more from Christians that their strident disapproval of abortion and subsequent punishment of abortionists.

            I’ve come to see anti abortion as a religion of its own. One is first anti abortion and uses Christianity as an after thought because it can be manipulated to serve the real religion.

  2. Jinx II

    Well Dr. worm, there is enough evidence of non qualified statements to pull your Medical License and make sure you never practice medicine again. Give me a break Dr. Misogynist, but your views are from the 1600’s.

  3. shannon

    Matt–“First, no one “needs” an abortion, especially the unborn child. A child dies during an abortion.”

    This statement is false. If both the child and mother will die as a result of the pregnancy the need for an abortion is clear. Your assumption that all abortions are a result of careless sex is ridiculous.

    1. shannon 10:15 Thanks for commenting.
      Your assumption that all abortions are a result of careless sex is ridiculous.

      You put your finger on the anti abortion creed. Women are not trustworthy.

      1. Henry

        Jon 10:58 “Women are not trustworthy.”

        Ah, yes….stoking the gender warfare argument now. Good work. You will have us held back with the 1100’s technology no problem, a piece of paper, a #2 Ticonderoga or charcoal, and a doctor’s hand. Human….not human…..human….not human…. There is your medical equipment. Throw the ultrasound heart monitor in the garbage. Not needed.

        1. Henry 10:58 Human..not human…human..not houman..

          That’s what it’s all about. Murder, not murder. If all abortions are murder all women who have them go to prison.

          1. And all abortionists would go to prison. The supply of abortionists would run out long before the supply of pregnant women. BTW, all husband murderers are women and they go to prison.

            Abortionists in a society where abortion is considered a capital crime would probably be held in greater contempt given their specialized knowledge.

            Criminalizing abortion means pushy boyfriends and husbands could go to jail, doctors could go to jail, nurses could go to jail and women could go to jail. Most doctors will revert to something that pays well but doesn’t send them to jail. The dried up supply of abortionists, regardless of demand, will lead to more births. Simple economics. I’m surprised we don’t have an economist here that could have used his knowledge to explain this.

            This could all lead to an epidemic of responsible sexual behavior.

          2. Henry

            Don’t forget about awareness of intentions and responsibility as you often do. First, there must be a culpable mind. If some old retired fart in Iowa and libral establishment society told them it is legal, there is little culpability. Instead the culpability would fall on the shoulders of the abort doctors who are making a “gd barrel of money.”

          3. Henry 1:29 However, if while walking toward the clinic a bevy of protesters told them abortion is immoral and a sin they would know full well that is the case. That would make them responsible for the murder.

            And doctors who perform abortions would know of the law but women who called them up to receive services would not. That is part of the bait and switch used by anti abortion operatives. Don’t tell the public women will go to prison until after abortion prohibition is passed.

    2. The cases of both lives in jeopardy are rare. You may be speaking of ectopic pregnancies where the child starts to grow after implanting in one of the fallopian tubes. There are other cases of a cancerous mother but, in those cases, the mother’s cancer treatment is weighed against the life of the child. Many mothers opt to forgo cancer treatment as it could harm or kill the unborn child. They risk their own lives to save another; not unlike what policemen and our military do on a daily basis.

      Getting back to ectopic pregnancies, there is little to no chance that either the baby or the mother will survive. The best outcome would be if the baby were to detach and then reattach in the womb. Modern medicine, to the best of my knowledge, has not figured out a way to do this surgically. Therefore, it keeps trying but, and this is important … the surgeon is supposed to try to save both the baby and the mother in his efforts. This almost always results in the death of the child. This is sometimes referred to as a therapeutic abortion. It is not an elective abortion.

      So, far from being ridiculous, I stand by my original post. Don’t try to obfuscate the facts with trying to be clever. Instead, seek out the truth. Elective abortion, most commonly referred to simply as abortion, is the topic. The rare therapeutic abortions are not a direct attack on the child.

      Ectopic pregnancy – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ectopic_pregnancy

      Catholic teaching on abortion – http://www.catholicapologetics.info/morality/abortion/abortion.htm

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