Progressive Vs Conservative Christians, Which Is Less Tolerant Of The Other

One can read most any day a remark by a conservative Christian about the heresy of a liberal/progressive Christian. There is often an equally blistering rebuttal. This has been going on forever. The link was written by a progressive who wishes conservatives would at least acknowledge that progressives are a legitimate branch of the faith. He admits not everyone or every branch of Conservatives is intolerant but it is common.

One fork in the road these days is abortion. If you are a conservative Christian who believes a fertilized cell is a human being like those already born, you likely will find any Christian who does not agree to be in the enemy camp. Repeated often is the view that if one believes in abortion rights he/she is not a Christian.

A healthy intellectual improvement would be for all Christians to agree there is no absolutely correct version of the faith. People born into different cultures see the faith in a different light.

I was reminded of that today when I received a copy of a private blog by my friend, Pastor Howard Bess. He wrote that as a Baptist he had never heard the Apostle’s Creed until a young adult. It seemed strange. He became an American Baptist preacher and even today does not recite the creed when visiting other denominations. The Bible, not a compromise essay written at a convention centuries after the time of Jesus, is the Baptist authority.

More tolerance within the faith is probably not possible.

29 Responses

  1. Schurkey

    I do not understand this phrase:
    “The Bible, not a compromise essay written at a convention centuries after the time of Jesus, is the Baptist authority.”

    Wasn’t the Bible put together centuries after the time of Jesus, as a compromise (or as a consensus–I don’t know the specifics) created by a convention? Calling it an essay is a bit of a stretch; but the other elements fit.

    In other words, WHO decided what books were to be included, which were to be excluded, and what order they were to be presented?

      1. Catcher

        @ 10;00 “The phrase refers to the Council of Trent which came up with the Creed”.
        In the most narrow sense “the Creed” would be accurate in the sense of “we believe”; in the books included at Trent; 1545 to 1563. But still not a “Creed” as such, as in the Apostles (390 AD), Nicene, (325 AD, or Athanasian (6th Century).

        I think the word you meant to use is the “canon” (rule) of Trent. Specifically as a codification of RCC thought in response to the Reformation. However the canon of the NT is the same in Rome as in Reformed and post reformed churches.

        There were / are many canons suggested by Fathers and Doctors of the Church over the centuries before Trent. One notable is the one proposed by Augustin, which included the dutercononicals / apocrypha, (recognized as separate but related). ( There were several close parallels, including Jewish on the Hebrew Bible.

        There were many books not considered due to lack of Christology, credibility or of a spurious nature.

        The Canon was quite well established by the 5th century, See Wiki

    1. Juan Ruiz

      The Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) was canonized ca 100 CE in Jammia, by sages who had fled Jerusalem after the fall.

      The NT is a much longer story, covering centuries, and including ideas of Marcion, Irenaeus, Clement, and a bunch of others.

  2. Henry

    Jon: “One fork in the road these days is abortion. If you are a conservative Christian who believes a fertilized cell is a human being like those already born, you likely will find any Christian who does not agree to be in the enemy camp.”

    It goes further than that. Take the Hollywood liberals who can’t tolerate three neighbor children swimming in a pool at 8 PM. The Hollywood liberal’s response: call the police. The vulgar comedian apparently is then deeply troubled by the neighbor’s vulgar language when he is unnecessarily inconvenienced on the fifth occurrence over trivial complaints. Then, he becomes the monster instead of the one posing holding a bloody head. Sometimes I think many of the probort crowd want to do a post-natal abortion. They are quite intolerant. Oh wait, they have already expressed that: Ms. O’Hair.

    P.S. Good work on the “Council of Trent” coming up with the “creed”. You may get Schurkey to go along with that. I guess that fits into the American Atheist’s Statement of Belief, “Being an atheist is about what you believe and don’t believe, not about what you wish to be true or would find comforting.” (Somehow, they have dropped facts and evidence along the way, if that ever was even real.)

    1. entech

      … on the “Council of Trent” coming up with the “creed”.
      ,,,
      (Somehow, they have dropped facts and evidence along the way, if that ever was even real.)

  3. Wolfy32

    I’ve been gone a while, life and work and everything in between got busy with me this past year. What I will say on this is that I saw the horrendous story of a mom with brain cancer and pregnant. The mom agreed to give up her life to save her child. One she didn’t know for sure, but most likely her life was going to be doomed. During her pregnancy the brain cancer took a turn for the worse and the doctors did everything they could to keep her body alive even though her brain was swollen beyond the skull. So that she could bring the baby to the minimum number of days needed to pull it.

    The mom in this state of what would almost dub undeath… Dead, but not dead, but definitely not alive. The baby pulled and kept in incubation where the baby too died 14 days after it was born for unknown reasons.

    I don’t believe there’s a right answer in this situation. The mom’s life was doomed from what it sounded like no matter what the doctors did. But, quite honestly, I would not want any loved one to be kept “alive” as a human incubator… To me that’s twisted and sick out of some science fiction horror movie.

    Just because we can do something doesn’t mean we should… Goes for Abortion and goes for keeping a corpse alive long enough to incubate a baby.

    As for Abortion…. Well, my thought is this. If God didn’t want it to happen at all, he wouldn’t have allowed us the option of discovering the concept of abortion. We get into the catch 22 of if it’s so evil then why is it allowed to happen at all. I know and understand the arguements of free will.

    At the same time, there’s many things that we can’t even comprehend or think about or doesn’t even enter our minds. That to me is predetermined, if we are unable to teleport we well, can’t teleport… So, too, if we didn’t even have the thought of abortion, then we’d never even think about doing abortions.

    It’s kinda like giving a 3 year old a chain saw and here don’t hurt anyone with this… Why would a caretaker, a creator do that to us? It’s self sabotage….

    1. Henry

      Pretty good. He looks like he was on a leisurely stroll after being in his yurt for the past year with the shades drawn, practicing yoga. His yearly routine must have gotten interrupted by that viscous atheism questioner standing there with the sign. Good stuff.

          1. Rob

            “Break a leg!”
            “Where’s the Romans when you need them?!”
            “Bring out the lions! Where are the lions?!”

            That’s all I heard from the atheists shouting down the man on the platform. Perhaps you could enlighten everyone as to what you heard.

  4. Grandma

    Just a reminder that some moron or other who has studied the Bible claims the world is going to end sometime tomorrow. Adios, everybody, it’s been swell!

    1. Henry

      G:“….some moron or other who has studied the Bible claims the world is going to end sometime tomorrow.”

      The evidence does not point in that direction. He has missed a few key verses.

    2. Grandma 4:59 Just a reminder that some moron who has studied the Bible claims the world is going to end sometime tomorrow. Adios, everybody, it’s been swell.

      You know, I hate it when this happens. They don’t tell you what time it is going to end. How can a person plan his day? Like, I was planning to go out for breakfast like every other Saturday since I can’t remember when. We always used to meet a group at Boppa’s Bagels in S. Fargo. Now, we go to a bagel place here. So, is it run there early, or, just wait here?

      1. Now, we go to a bagel place here. So, is it run there early, or, just wait here?

        Nothing happened during breakfast. At mid day, we went to a big festival near us in the downtown. I put on sunglasses and a floppy hat. My thinking was that if the deity came and rounded up people I would not be recognized and could slip unnoticed into the Jesus group. Nothing happened there either.

    3. Juan Ruiz

      “the world is going to end sometime tomorrow.”

      Nothing new. Lindseed made a fortune predicting the end. When he was wrong he published a new edition with the excuse he “miscalculated.”

      Teleconman Jack Van Impe predicted this is the year.

        1. entech 4:48 You need to publish your books sufficiently before the date so that people have enough time to buy them ?

          Here it is the day after the big event. We should read in the paper today “X million souls saved by Jesus’ return. Another X million headed for hell.”
          Instead there are just the ordinary numbers from yesterday’s football games.

    4. Wolfy32

      In the defense of those prophets, they did say the start of the end is 9/23. And it was qualified the start of the end of things as we know them today starts 9/23.

      This gives an extremely vague start but no ending, so if things don’t end on 9/23, the prediction is still right. And well, now they have a reason to blame the fires, hurricanes, and destructive forces that have already occurred on the end “starting” now. Somehow these things that have already happened will be lumped into the “start of the end”.

      I caught myself telling my parents the other day “If anything was going to be the end of the world I thought it would be after Trump took office.” I put my foot in my mouth because they did their conservative Right wing, Christian fanatical duty to completely back and find excuses to support everything he does…..

      If the Antichrist existed, that’s how I would see it happening…. The masses completely abandoning rational logic, and burning anyone with torches that provided rational and logical arguments against the extremism….

  5. jinx

    When it comes to predicting the end of the world, the idiots have been wrong 100% of the time. Why would anyone believe them since they’ve never gotten it right once? Whats the score,
    the wrong team 34 million to the right team 0……..!?! Bet on the next prediction being wrong, again.

  6. You question pretends we are still living in a Christian era. Wrong. We are firmly in post-Christian times with every facet of modern life a victim to this sad truth. The schools, courts, media, politics, philosophy, all gone. Christianity in the public square is powerless to the rabble. God is in charge, so He’s letting this happen for a reason. Biblical history tells us when things get this bad really awful things are coming.

    After dispatching conservatives don’t think Muslims are going to lie down and play dead like the progressive Christians did. You may actually tire of never saying what you think in public about Islamic anti homosexual hatred, or women in public needing a male family member chaperon, while wearing a tent, or female genital mutilating their daughters, etc.

    Just because the Left got a bunch of lukewarm Christian churches to bow down to the golden calf doesn’t mean it’s won this spiritual war.

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