July 4th, 1817, Began A Flow Of Commerce And Religious Ideas

The Erie canal construction was begun on July 4, 1817. Goods, people and their ideas moved faster.  Some of the ideas that moved down this water superhighway were religious. This speed has accelerated ever since.

The link author says Mormonism moved down the Erie. So did Adventists, spiritualists, apocalyptics and communal utopians.  Of course there were preachers traveling about before, but the easier the journey the more and faster new religious ideas spread.

It is interesting that Europe has state churches which did not allow or foster innovative religions to fire up. Europeans came to the U.S. and spread all over the place coming up with all kinds of religious ideas.

Now parent religions in the U.S. are racing about trying to stamp out the innovation that allowed them to grow here in the first place. Consider the efforts to stop gay marriage and/or gay preachers from holding church positions. There are plenty of theological reasons to justify gay pastors but many doors are closed to them.

The printing press which published the first 5,000 of Joseph Smith’s first book in upstate New York came there on the Canal. The books moved on south and west to establish this indigenous U.S. branch of Christianity.

Today we know new branches of Christianity and other faiths are popping up almost daily. That is because transporting ideas is a gazillion times faster and cheaper than the Erie Canal.

Ideas and the changes they bring about keep moving faster. Hang onto your hat.

 

13 Responses

  1. Schurkey

    “Consider the efforts to stop gay marriage and/or gay preachers from holding church positions. There are plenty of theological reasons to justify gay pastors but many doors are closed to them.”

    That would make more sense if “gay” wasn’t a mental illness; an aberration that society should be treating but was instead hoodwinked by “activists” who want it to be considered “normal”.

    1. Matt Noah

      In any event, homosexual behavior is sinful and disqualifies one from certain church posts. But so does certain heterosexual behavior, which happens more frequently.

      1. entech

        I hate to bring it up yet again, says he with tongue firmly in cheek – just like friend Rob. But how do you account for those that would in any view of morality be disqualified from any Church posts; one would assume that the the higher the post the higher would be the required qualification. Yet we have Bishops, even Cardinals, firmly established in the hierarchy when you would expect them to be disqualified from any position with even the slightest authority or even respectability.

        1. entech 8:44 one would assume that the the higher the post the higher would be the required qualification.

          Seems to work in the opposite direction. A couple gets divorced and each later finds someone they want to marry. No, unless the first marriage never happened in the eyes of the church each would be living in sin to marry again. Neither would be allowed communion. Compare that with a Bishop who hides a pediphile priest–remains in the Church. Cardinal Dolan tried to move the Church’s money out of reach from those abused by priests. He not only remains a Catholic but was promoted to the most prestigious diocese, New York City.

          Now, I’ll sit back and receive the incoming arrows saying I’m prejudiced, unfair and heading for an afterlife in hell. Waiting.

    2. Grandma

      Turkey wrote” That would make more sense if “gay” wasn’t a mental illness;

      But it isn’t. However, I think that opinions like yours, come closer… I have had many gay friends, and they all recalled, when they were quite young, knowing that they were different from the mainstream. They didn’t chose to be gay, or to be shunned, or to be targets of violence: they just were. That’s how they were born.

      1. Schurkey

        “But it isn’t.”

        Of course LGBQTxyz is mental illness. I’m sure it’s multiple, semi-related illnesses, not just one. It was even “official” up to the middle-1970s, at which point activists within, and external to the two APAs (American Psychological Association, and the American Psychiatric Association) improperly removed homosexuality from The Official Guidebooks to mental conditions.

        Just because it isn’t “official” any more doesn’t make it less of a mental illness. It just means there’s corruption within the APAs.

        “they all recalled, when they were quite young, knowing that they were different from the mainstream.”

        EVERYONE thinks that as a child. It’s part of being a child. From the kid perspective, all the adults know the Secret Handshake, and have money in their pockets, and get to ride the wildest rides in the amusement park, because they’re all tall enough. Meanwhile, kids have to do “kid stuff” and have no power, no control, no authority, and sometimes bad things happen. Some kids who think they’re different are actually homosexual. Some kids who think they’re different are gearheads. Some kids who think they’re different become white-collar workers. Some go to prison. Some should go to prison, but get elected to Congress instead. Eventually they all grow up, and nowadays, the gay ones get validation that they really were different, so those memories of being different get extra attention and seem extra-meaningful.

        The real problem, the one nobody wants to talk about, is that as a society, we’ve wasted the last 45-ish years doing NOTHING of importance to treat LGBQTxyz because the “Gay Advocates” have pushed the “acceptance as normal” fallacy instead of pushing for something that would actually help these people. They need treatment, not validation, and they’re miserable because of it.

        1. Schurkey It was even “official” up to the middle-1970s, at which point activists within, and external to the two APAs (American Psychological Association, and the American Psychiatric Association) improperly removed homosexuality from The Official Guidebooks to mental conditions.

          Such BS, Schurkey. It was not changed due to “activists”. It was changed because it had been improperly placed under illness from the start. When the profession was asked it homosexuality meets the criteria it set in place for the term, mental illness, it could not come up with an explanation that met the criteria. This has been well documented.

          doing NOTHING of importance to treat LGBQTxyz because the “Gay Advocates” have pushed the “acceptance as normal” fallacy instead

          Where have you been? Out of the country? All kinds of individuals and groups have tried to change the sexual orientation of gay people. It has always come to nothing.

          1. entech

            Of course Shurkey is right, it s his view and he is entitled.

            Now my view is that as I have had, in one long life, 2 long term lady friends and one long term, till death us do part wife. They were all a little on the short and plump side with dark brown hair and a well tanned complexion, using the Shurkey criteria I must say that any one who finds a woman that does not fit this description attractive and shows any sexual interest in such a woman is mentally disturbed

          2. Shurkey is a couple of generations late. In a previous one he could have advised us on the evils of mixed racial courtships and marriages. That was so evil children needed to be sent to segregated schools lest they find each other attractive.

  2. Jinx II

    8:37 Get your head out of the middle ages, sexual preference and gender identity is innate, your confused, its our so called prez who is mentally ill as well as suffering from dementia!

    If something is considered normal, always done that way….its time to explore it, question why and redefine ‘normal’.

  3. Brandon

    For humans to endure, moral standards need to be set, and they have been. They have just been cast to the wayside and look where we are now.

    See and now this is where the battle lies with this blog. Everyone on here has a right to their opinion. However as a Christian, I see a lot of other Christians on here who are doing nothing but further hardening the hearts of those who do not profess Christianity in this blog. To those Christians on here let me remind you that this it is not our place to change the heart of men, that is solely up to God. Plus I will remind you that one day you WILL give an account as to what happened here.

    To those you do not believe in faith at all in here, I’m not going to lie, your views and beliefs frustrate me like crazy, and when I first saw this blog I was the first to verbally attack you on here. Let me be the first to tell you that that is not how a Christian should act. I apologize. Just as you are confident in your beliefs, I am confident in mine. But this is not the place to get a good idea of what Christianity is. DON’T do your research on the web, there are to many false accounts and false Christians out there that don’t even know what they are doing.

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