Noah’s Ark Will Be For Sale

It’s fun to be snarky about the phony Noah’s Ark that promoter Ken Ham tricked taxpayers into paying for. The poor rural county that gave him a huge tax break is now poorer. Most of the public stayed away from this fraud. It is becoming a commercial failure.

Maybe the ark structure could be converted into a TV studio. I have ideas for a series. The series would explain the implausibilities of the story and moral failures of God.

One of the implausibilities comes from the known fact there is a finite amount of water on and around the planet earth. There is not enough water to cover all the mountains. Where did this extra water come from? Where did it go after the flood? Is it now stored in heaven waiting for more sin?

The series could explain why God killed all those babies who had not done anything wrong. God seems to really detest humans.

Today, DNA reveals that we carry genes from several different origins, not from one family. That could be explained.

I would like to know how animals located only on one side of the globe were moved a hundred thousand miles to where the ark was located? Maybe they were air lifted and we have lost the 747’s.

Mostly, there needs to be an explanation as to why millions of the public’s money was spent teaching something that is not true. In the days of the Soviet Union it was called propaganda. Today we call it religion.

68 Responses

  1. Rob

    Maybe for the series finale you could explain that billions of years ago a rock farted, and voila, here we are today. Makes perfect sense.

    1. entech

      You have come up with this idea of a rock farting before, makes no difference today, yesterday or billions of aeons ago, farting is getting rid of gas generated in the bowel. Rocks do not have bowels. People do and for some, you being a good example, it generally makes more sense that that which is emitted from the mouth.
      To you it probably does make perfect sense, to anyone else it is a ludicrous though, there again most of what passes as thought that reaches you keyboard has the same kind of usefulness as some one passing wind.

      Oh dear, here I go running off again, is should be more brief, like:
      what a load of shit.

      1. Jon mocks Christians, I rib him back. It’s all in good fun. It is fascinating though how it seems a disproportionately high number of atheists have trouble understanding various forms of humor. Maybe Jon can find a survey researching this. You’re so uptight, Entech. I hope you can find some happiness.

        1. Rob,

          I have some questions for you:

          1. Do you agree GOD created the sun and Moon on the fourth day ?

          2. If you answered yes to question one, where did the light on the first day come from ?

          3. Could GOD be the GREATEST PHYSICIST and used a BIG BANG to start HIS CREATION ?

          4. Could GOD be the GREATEST HUMORIST and tests us to see if we are able to work together and combine all the jokes so we can ask the correct questions ?

          kev

          1. entech

            Kev, you forgot the important question if God can perform miracles, defined as causing action that is against the god given laws of nature, would he waste his talents causing Rocks to break wind?

          2. entech,

            GOOD GOD point!

            However:

            Rocks can break wind under enough pressure, collision velocity energy.

            IE, a proton is in essence a rock, and at velocities near the speed of light they in essence fart just after impact and for some moments after impact.

            In my theory of NATURES MEND (Matter Energy aNd Dynamics) (NM) two additional forces stronger than the strong exist in the beginning that cause internal digestion leading to the Big Bang Fart with explosive and centrifugal spin energy, however mainly in two directions because of the internal shape charge developed over time. Just a note: in NM the origin particle is 120 billion light years or so in diameter.

            So in the beginning maybe GOD clapped his hands on the Origin Particle and it farted in the initial Big Bang.

            Or maybe, GOD LET A HOLY FART and we have all of HIS HOLY DIARRHEA to figure out ????

            I don’t think GOD in the SPIRIT of talking about HIM will MIND the analogy !!!!

          3. kev 6:53 1. Do you agree GOD created the sun and Moon on the fourth day ? 2. If you answered yes to question one, where did the light on the first day come from ?

            You are asking how God knew it was the “fourth day” when there was no sun to measure the beginning and end of day one, day two and day three. The answer is easy. God had a digital watch and knew when 24 hours had passed. Since it was dark he had to have a digital watch with a lighted dial.

          4. Jon,

            THE FIRST THING GOD did was speak on the 1ST day. And HE said, “Let there be light!!!!”

            So there was light.

            “Then GOD separated the light from the darkness.”

            Thus the ability to mark time for man to understand was established.

            And man in Genesis 1.14 is to use the lights for guidance.

            So prostitution is not the oldest profession astronomy is.

            And the great debate of who, what, when, and where it all comes from begins.

            As far as creation after the Fist Big Bang I think GOD, THE GREATEST PHYSICISTS, just lets in play out naturally on a continuous entropy wave while time loops around and around.

            Eventually we, each and every one of us, will figure it out, and GOD WILL WELCOME us HOME one by one.

            Then the COSMOS will cycle over and over in PEACE without man or animal, or bugs, et al.

            Hope this helps !!!!

          5. kev 10:43 THE FIRST THING GOD did was speak on the 1ST day. And HE said, “Let there be light!!!!” So there was light.

            That was the light in his digital watch. Hope this helps.

        2. entech

          Oh dear, I am so sorry, put it down to having lived too long and seen too much. I did not realise that you considered yourself a humourist, in my foolishness I just thought you were another religious zealot, what we in the England of my youth would call a fruit and nut cake. Not that all religious people are of course most are kind considerate and sincere, I just can’t see you fitting that mould.

        3. Grandma

          Rob: It is fascinating though how it seems a disproportionately high number of atheists have trouble understanding various forms of humor.

          Perhaps that’s because most of us who follow this blog are over the age of 14.

          1. Grandma 5:22 Perhaps that’s because most of us who follow this blog are over the age of 14.

            Good one. I, too, have tried to put an age on Rob’s humor. We are both close. I called it H.S. sophmoric–maybe age of 15. 🙂

          2. entech

            That is an amazing assumption Grandma, many of us may be pretending, like me going on 8 and pretending to be going on 80. A good question would be how would Rob know the difference when he tends to stuff all atheists and doubters and others into one big box and then trumps into it.

  2. Jon,

    Your posts provide for some interesting reading and contemplation

    Here is an aspect of GOD for you to contemplate.

    Let’s just say that the COSMOS cycles on an entropy wave and time loops back unto itself. I shared this with “entech” in your “Pope Post about can’t have god without man”.

    If so all that have died without GOD, as you classify them as “GOD KILLED”, have another chance in the next cycle of the COSMOS. Only a few make it in each cycle.

    Eventually there is only one left in the Garden of Eden.

    Do you know who this last one is?

    This will probably take sextillion cycles, maybe even to the order of sextillion, I think we can say close to infinity.

    Its salacious satan looking for Eve!

    He feels a tap on his shoulder!

    He turns around and

    cries JESUS CHRIST !!!!!!!

    and satan bows to the ONE TRUE GOD !!!!!!!

    And GOD IN THE FLESH, JESUS, THE CHRIST, WHOSE SOUL IS THE HOLY SPIRIT will WELCOME HOME HIS last Ancient Child, and the First will be Last!

    kev

    1. kev 8:23 Thanks for posting your thoughts. Perhaps others here will understand them better than me. I have heard of one thing you mentioned, the Garden of Eden. My life is so good I think that is where I’m living right now. I’ll be on the lookout the a talking snake.

      1. LOL

        I lived in Iowa several years, Des Moines, and the Quad Cities.

        Volunteered 5 years in the Walnut Hill 1875 Blacksmith Shop at Living History Farms north west of Des Moines.

        Iowa has many aspects of the Garden: Tulips in Pella!

        1. Catcher

          @ 8;23; “…The Christ whose soul is the Holy Spirit”. Where did that come from?

          “Who has known the mind of God?” 1 Cor, 2;16. Only you.

          1. Catcher,

            Go and read the Gospel of Matthew 28.20.

            CHRIST can’t be with us always if HIS SOUL is not the HOLY SPIRIT.

          2. Catcher,

            I’m sorry you’re not connected with the WHOLE WORD of GOD !!

            This post is not the place for a lengthy bible study.

            You can make some more connections at Isaiah 7.14 & 9.6. Make sure you consider the definitions and footnotes. You may need to look at several versions of the old book to hone in on GOD’S TRUE SPIRIT.

            Enjoy your search !!!!

          3. Catcher

            @ 12;04; Let me assure you I am connected.

            Have you connected John 14;16? “I (1st person) will ask the Father (2nd person) and he will give you another helper(3rd person) that He may be with you forever. For the 3rd person, some translations use “helper, Advocate, Comforter, Counselor, or Paraclete. All of which are understood to be the Holy Spirit. (Not you).

            I have enjoyed the search for more years you can imagine.

            Your Isaiah reference is irrelevant to the topic at hand, both of Persons, or time frame.

            Sorry. Back to the books and drawing board to you.

          4. Catcher

            Kev; This must have been lost in the cloud; I repeat, slightly altered.

            Here is a ‘connection” you need to consider.
            John 14;16; I (first person) will ask the Father (2nd person), and he will give you another Helper (3rd person) that He may be with you forever. Some translations render Helper as Advocate, Comforter, Counselor or Paraclete. All of which are considered to be the Holy Spirit. (Not YOU).

          5. Catcher,

            And in John 10.30 JESUS says, “I and the Father are ONE !!!!!!!”

            Sorry Catcher, you’ve been caught !!!

            You neeed need to go to GOD one on ONE face to FACE and get connected !!!!!!!

          6. Catcher

            @ 12;52; Suggest 1 Cor. 2;16. There is much you don’t know. to be talking on such a high plain. Re-read my 12;35.

          7. Catcher

            KEV at 1;10 Yes it says that. I Agree. Not caught. Sorry.

            Now you are talking decision theology. “You need to go”, “get connected”
            What must you do to be saved. Not what’s already been done.
            On par with; “I found Jesus, and got saved.” Forgetting the Holy Spirit working in you. strange for one who is so seemingly centered on the Spirit.

          8. Catcher,

            Sorry, but when you only scrub one facet of the ROCK, maybe two or three, you really don’t understand the ROCK.

            Again, I encourage you to go connect with the ROCK, one on ONE face to FACE.

            No need for any further debate.

            I will leave it in the HAND’S of the ROCK !!!!!!!

          9. Catcher

            Kev @ 4;28; re. “rock-facets”. No content, context. Useless response. You have run out of anything of value. If you have something worthy of conversation, let me know.

          1. Catcher

            @ 10;59; “I think more like the Spirit of God”. Does not say what your 10;04 implies.
            Read it again.

            Are you trying to start a new cult?

    1. Michael Ross,

      June 14, 2017 at 10:10 pm

      Mr. Kent Hovind reads and repeats, both biblically and evolutionary !!

      Here is some food for thought:

      Reading and repeating is talking !!

      Reading and understanding is knowledge !!!!

      Don’t believe the repeating stations on either side of the war over the origins of it all.

      kev

  3. Steve

    Your questions have been answered in this forum many times. Why do you keep putting up the straw man? Let me answer them for you again…

    Jon: “One of the implausibilities comes from the known fact there is a finite amount of water on and around the planet earth. There is not enough water to cover all the mountains. Where did this extra water come from? Where did it go after the flood?”

    Answer: The earth’s surface is two thirds water. The oceans are deep. If the land surfaces of the earth, including the ocean bottom, were to be made all the same elevation the water would uniformly cover the earth and be kilometers deep. Creationists acknowledge that the flood was an event of catastrophic plate tectonics and volcanism, (Genesis 7:11 and elsewhere) Most agree that this is when the great mountain ranges were formed. There were mountains high enough pre-flood for their highest peaks to be covered by 15 cubits (6.9 meters) of water. They were not nearly as high as the mountains we have today, which were themselves caused by the geologic events of the flood. Where did all that water go? From Psalms 104:

    5 He established the earth upon its foundations,
    So that it will not [g]totter forever and ever.
    6 You covered it with the deep as with a garment;
    The waters were standing above the mountains.
    7 At Your rebuke they fled,
    At the sound of Your thunder they hurried away.
    8 The mountains rose; the valleys sank down
    To the place which You established for them. [NASB]

    The mountains rose higher to shed the waters. The ocean basins were formed to hold them.

    Jon: “Is it (the water) now stored in heaven waiting for more sin?”

    Answer: No. The earth is now reserved for fire (2 Peter 3:7). Psalm 104:9 You set a boundary that they may not pass over, So that they (the waters) will not return to cover the earth.” Genesis 9:15 “and I will remember My covenant, which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and never again shall the water become a flood to destroy all flesh.”

    Jon: “Today, DNA reveals that we carry genes from several different origins, not from one family. That could be explained.” Answer: False. For example, you’re ignoring the mitochondrial Eve hypothesis. This is a big subject addressed by dozens of articles authored by real PhD geneticists on creationist websites. Here’s just one: http://creation.com/a-shrinking-date-for-eve

    Jon: “I would like to know how animals located only on one side of the globe were moved a hundred thousand miles to where the ark was located? Maybe they were air lifted and we have lost the 747’s.”

    Answer: Creationists agree that the divisions of the formerly unified continents (or “Gondwanaland” as some secularists call it) happened during the flood. Today everyone seems to see the light Alfred Wegener shed in 1912 (was ostracized), especially after the discovery of the mid-ocean ridges. Creationists know that this happened fast. (I like the runaway subduction theories of Dr. John Baumgartner, creator of Terra software.) Creationist also agree with the bible that only representatives of the kinds of animals were requred, perhaps around 7,000 animals with the genetic potential to exploit all the niches we see today, e.g., in dog breeding. The horse kind produced horses, zebras, donkeys, etc.

    You should watch the new ‘IsGenesisHistory?’ film on Netflix. It’s making quite a splash. I highly recommend it.

    1. Steve 8:40 The mountains rose higher to shed the waters. The ocean basins were formed to hold them.

      On a search site, I wrote, “how mountains are formed.” None of the answers matched yours. Mountains and valleys formed over millions of years from either shifting plates far underground or volcanic activity. They were not formed by God pulling some places and pushing down others.

      The ark story is a myth. When you come to understand this, stop in and let us know.

      1. Steve

        Jon: “On a search site, I wrote, “how mountains are formed.” None of the answers matched yours. Mountains and valleys formed over millions of years from either shifting plates far underground or volcanic activity. They were not formed by God pulling some places and pushing down others.”

        I completely agree (and stated above) that the mountains and valleys formed from shifting plates and volcanic activity. We just disagree on how fast. As for God causing it, it may have only taken a nudge…

        http://www.icr.org/research/index/researchp_jb_runawaysubduction/

        1. Steve

          The massive blobs of cold mantle material are still down there sitting on the core. They’re still cold. See here… https://www.socalsem.edu/noahs-flood-the-key-to-correct-interpretation-of-earth-history/ Scroll most of the way down to the section heading SEISMIC TOMOGRAPHY SUPPORT FOR A RECENT EPISODE OF CATASTROPHIC PLATE TECTONICS (peruse the rest of the article later).

          Even though those blobs are like as big as the moon, that material should have warmed by now given uniformitarian time frames.

        2. Steve, Jon,

          Just a few things to note:

          1. No one is sure how old the COSMOS is !!!!

          2. The age of the earth at 4.5 billion years is based on a zircon rock’s fartings in Australia.

          3. entech, gave you smelled any of this farting Down Under ??

          4. Pardon the Pun !!

          5. If you use Genesis 6.3 and Daniel’s verse of 42 weeks of years you can interpret the age of the earth to be 120+ billion years old.

          6. The point is it is way older than 6,000 years !!!!

          7. The movement of tectonic plates subducts every thing so maybe the zircon farting rock came from outer space ??

          8. Maybe there isore Scientific TRUTH in that “old book” the bible ????

          1. Steve,

            It is important to connect Noah’s flood with the boundaries of Gen 6.6 and Daniel’s weeks of years to set the bench mark for surveying the time correctly in the old books.

            If you set the bench mark at Noah’s death, for he is the last man to live to near a 1000 years, then the Flood occurred way further back in time.

            I find it interesting that no one in the old book lived to 1,000 years.

            Only ONE is it said of will reign for 1,000 years.

          2. Steve 12:25 re; Institution for Creation Research. This organization has the goal of convincing the gullible the Noah story is history. It includes a few people with PhD’s in science. This handful of devout Christians faces tens of thousands of other scientists from around the world who laugh at this stuff.

            I hope you send them your tithe. They are a church.

        3. Steve 11:35 I completely agree (and stated above) that the mountains and valleys formed from shifting plates and volcanic activity. We just disagree on how fast.

          “How fast” rules everything. Mountains and valleys cannot be caused by shifting plates and volcanic activity unless given millions of years. Forming them to give a Noah’s Ark time to land and shifting plates are mutually exclusive. Either God formed mountains and valleys with his shovel to give Noah a place to land or mountains and valleys were formed over millions of years and the Noah story is religious propaganda. So far as we know, it is religious propaganda.

        4. Grandma

          Steve: Mountains and valleys formed over millions of years from either shifting plates far underground or volcanic activity.

          Then why are so many valleys the result of erosion?

    2. Grandma

      Steve: Alfred Wegener shed in 1912 (was ostracized), especially after the discovery of the mid-ocean ridges.

      He was criticized at the time because the mechanics of continental movement were not understood. It had nothing to do with creationism.

  4. Jinx II

    My deceased husband was a geologist and geology has been a life long love of mine. I did take some University Geology classes in the 90’s and I proof read my husbands papers, the creation fantasy is completely debunked in so many ways I would need a book to cover it all. In one of my classes, a christian student brought in a long list of items from the bible she said proved Geology was wrong. The Professor named, discussed, and gave solid evidence and references that every point on her list was false. People believe what they want and I will stick to the rigor of the Sciences and not a book of folk tales.

    1. entech

      When you read about all of the highly qualified scientists that write for the creationist cause you need to follow up on the subjects of their expertise, very rarely in any related field which makes their opinion as good as yours or mine (maybe even less valid).

      1. Grandma

        How true. I once sat down in a college library with a stack of creationist ramblings on one side of me and a stack of peer-reviewed and published critiques of those religious ramblings. Science rules!

  5. entech

    I have just been reading about the annual children’s writing competition in UK. It does seem that the word Trump has had a huge increase in use.
    Including one classic: According to the Financial Times, a dystopian future in which the US president limits all communication to 140-word characters or less was imagined by one 12-year-old boy. In a piece entitled Stories, the boy wrote: “Personal interactions were banned, along with newspapers and books. Nowadays you were only allowed to communicate through tweeting alternative facts.”
    Insightful little devils these limey kids. More so than 30% of Americn adults.
    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/jun/15/boggle-trump-to-trumplestiltskin-donald-inspires-new-childrens-slang

    Lest you think I am going off topic to be snarky, perish the thought. I was reminded of the word’s usage for many years and forgotten it since I was pretty young. Trump is a euphemism for fart, and fart is a word introduced by our resident comedian, Rob, and picked up a couple of times in this topic.

    So here we have it it all began with a Trump.
    From the view across the world we get a new one every time he opens his mouth.

    1. Jinx II

      Ha Ha Haaa! Trump=Fart, that explains the old windbag quite well!

      Very insightful kids, love their imagination and insight. Thanks for posting this Entec!

  6. Catcher,

    You stated June 15, 2017 at 4:36 pm:

    Kev @ 4;28; re. “rock-facets”. No content, context. Useless response. You have run out of anything of value. If you have something worthy of conversation, let me know.

    Your comment just proves to me that you are not connected to GOD !!!!!!!

    If you were no explanation would be needed for the “ROCK”

    I would encourage you to find an electronic version of the bible. Here is one that you can use:

    https://quod.lib.umich.edu/r/rsv/browse.html

    Search it for “rock” it shows up 166 times. Then search it for “stone”.

    Take a look at Matthew 16.18 for “rock”, the “rock” here is not a physical thing, it is the knowledge, foundation, of being connected to GOD and knowing that JESUS was THE CHRIST, GOD IN THE FLESH, ISAIAH 7.14.

    Take a look at Zechariah 3.9 “upon a SINGLE STONE with SEVEN FACETS (EYES), I will engrave ITS INSCRIPTION, says the LORD of hosts, and I WILL REMOVE the guilt of this land in a single day.” GOD is talking about HIMSELF COMING to earth as THE CHRIST !!!!!!!

    GOD is not three persons, personages !!!

    GOD IS ONE, as in “I AM WHO I AM” !!!!!!!

    Go and look at Exodus 25.31-37: SEVEN LIGHTS !!!!!!!

    Go and look at Revelation 5.6, “I saw a LAMB standing, as though it had been slain, with SEVEN HORNS and with SEVEN EYES, which are the SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD sent out into all the earth.”

    “HORNS” are a living part of whatever they are connected to !!!!!!!

    “EYES” allow a living thing to see everything !!!!!!!

    And GOD SEES deep inside our secret places of our mind, and our soul !!!!!!!

    Go and look at Revelation 21.22. “And I saw no temple in the city, for its TEMPLE is the LORD GOD THE ALMIHTY & THE LAMB” Together as ONE as in John 10.30 “I and the FATHER are ONE !!!!!!!!”

    Go and look at ISAIAH 7.14 again “IMMANUEL” – “GOD is with us” & ISAIAH 9.6 “For to us a CHILD is born, to us a SON is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and HIS NAME will be called, ‘WONDERFUL COUNSELOR, MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER, PRINCE OF PEACE !!!!!!!” They are not separate personages, they are TITLES FOR THE ONE ROCK, GOD WITH SEVEN FACETS – SEVEN SPIRITS !!!!!!!

    Here I will list the SEVEN FACETS/SPIRITS OF GOD for you: 1 SPIRIT CREATOR, 2 IMMANUEL, THE FELSH OF GOD in the Garden, 3 SPIRIT LEADER of ISRAEL – one who STRIVES with GOD or GOD STRIVES, 4 IMMANUEL, THE FLESH OF GOD on earth, THE CHRIST, 5 SPIRIT LEADER, HOLY SPIRITI, in life today for LIFE, 6 IMMANUEL JUDGE, THE FLESH OF GOD each of us will have to face, face to FACE, 7 GOD IN ONENESS & TOTALITY at HOME in HEAVEN with those who have fully connected with HIM and know HIM in all SEVEN of HIS SPIRITS !!!!!!!

    You challenged me with 1 Corinthians 2.16 ” ‘For who has known the mind of the LORD so as to instruct HIM?’ But we have the mind of CHRIST.”

    Go and read Isaiah 53.1 “Who has believed what we have heard? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?”

    If you go to GOD one on ONE face to FACE HE WILL REVEAL HIMSELF to you !!!!!!!

    I’m sorry to say you are closed minded like all those brainwashed by christianity, religion, read and repeat verses without connection, and beat down those who won’t bow to you.

    I encourage you once again, remove your burdens, anchors, your religion, me, and all others that keep you from connecting with the ONE TRUE GOD in accord with HIS FIRST LAW, “you shall have no other gods before-between-besides GOD !!!!!!!” Then you will be free to use you FREE WILL to seek GOD one on ONE face to FACE and connect with HIM from beginning to end, THE ALPHA & OMEGA !!!!!!!

    I hope you have the will and strength to break your anchor chains !!!!!!!

    kev

    1. Catcher

      KEV (all caps) @ 7;19; Well, you sure got your rocks off on that rambling piece of shit.

      Unconnected, but revealing who we are dealing with.

      What is the price of land outside of Waco Texas these days?

      I repeat; If you have something worthy of conversation, let me know. (priming the pump)

    2. Catcher

      KEV; @ 7;19; re. Mat; 16-18; Even this is out of context with the verses before and after. Eisegesis

      re. “bow down” Do you claim everyone should bow down to you? Sounds like David Koresh.

      1. entech

        Eisegesis:
        Eisegesis is the process of interpreting a text or portion of text in such a way that the process introduces one’s own presuppositions, agendas, or biases into and onto the text. This is commonly referred to as reading into the text.

        Exegesis:
        An explanation or critical interpretation (especially of the Bible)
        Christian Bible, Good Book, Holy Scripture, Holy Writ, Scripture, Bible, Word of God, Book, Word – the sacred writings of the Christian religions; “he went to carry the Word to the heathen”

        Any interpretation of Biblical writing must to some extent contain both. The use of descriptions such as Good Book, Word of God all lay a grounding in believing something to be true before you start your interpretation. KEV is a good example here he rejects the religions but takes their writings as being true and reads from them his own theology.
        Kent Hovind, referenced the other day, is Eisegesis personified. Presuppositional apologetics starts with the foundational belief that there is a God and it is the Christian God and that the Bible is Divine Revelation.

        This in my view applies to everyone, including me even though I like to think I am open minded and come down on the side of non-belief I interpret Bible as if it were just another ancient book. Interpretation can change for any person; we often get proud declarations of atheists who became Christians and are later quoted as experts. Suppose that you are trying to read the Bible to find the truth, if your reading convinces you one way or the other from that moment you are reading from an initial worldview that presupposes truth or falsehood from the work.

        There must necessarily be at least of touch of arrogance in the position that I can be objective and that while inclined very strongly to disbelief can make a neutral interpretation of any verse (while a small still voice in the back of the skull says how ridiculous).
        I cannot understand how anyone can be totally convinced of the existence of God and that the Bible is “The Word of God”. I do think the attraction to the religious worldview must begin with the concept of being the special creation of a special creator – God created all and created man to have dominion over it all. So while I agree to a certain arrogance as described above I reject the common statement by so many Christians that I am total arrogance and they are total humility: rather the converse is closer to the actual position.

        As always I could be totally wrong and as it is early morning here just burbling over my first coffe of the day.

        1. entech,

          You commented,

          “KEV is a good example here he rejects the religions but takes their writings as being true and reads from them his own theology.”

          I don’t take their writings as TRUE, I have shredded their writings and tested them in the SPIRIT, and they don’t say what the religions claim they say.

          I then tested GOD against science, with a new theory for the COSMOS, and the probability that a GOD, SUPREME ENERGY, does exist can to light, and when you let the COSMOS cycle on an entropy wave the SPIRIT OF GOD melds with the science.

          My point is that no one should believe what I say, but test it against the bible and scientific theory.

          For example, in current scientific theory they cannot explain proton spin of 1/2, it’s called the proton spin crisis, and on the COSMIC scale they cannot explain the flatness of space, my theory of NATURE’S Matter-Energy-aNd-Dynamics easily explains both of these and many others.

          One more is the electron g-factor and why it is twice what is expected. When I modelled it for the upper and lower limits the actual value fell within these limits.

          There are three elements to my theory: 1 the origin particle of the COSMOS is 120 billion light years in diameter; 2 the quark and electron are not point particles but actually have a physical diameter; and 3 the quark and electron actually spin.

          I cannot define my GOD for you, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t work to understand the possibility.

          I have just reached the point I believe in THE GOD i’ve connected with !!!!!!!

          And I enjoy sharing what i’ve discovered biblically & scientifically !!!!

          kev

          1. kev 8:13 and they don’t say what the religions claim they say.

            We’ve had here on the discussion page a hundred or so posters who almost agree with you. The only thing they would say differently is that THEIR denomination has it right and all others do not. It seems like you have the foundation to start a new denomination yourself. No doubt you have posters who agree with you–all denominations started out just as you are doing. I can’t recall you posting about sin, but work that in and you are off and running.

          2. Jon,

            No denomination, everything is left up to GOD, records and everything, there is no membership, just sharing and testing so each of us can go on as we wish.

            kev

Leave a Reply