Darwin Wanted To See This

Darwin was familiar with how life with evolution moved along during the Cambrian Period, that time beginning about 542 million years ago. That was when a variety of life forms including animals began to appear. He wished he knew more about what preceded that period.

Since the 1940’s a lot about that earlier period has been discovered. Fossils have been found depicting life forms for the almost 100 million years before the period Darwin knew about. Predictable, the life forms during the earlier period were much more simple.

That earlier period is called the Ediacaran Period. The Smithsonian  has a story about Ediacaran fossils the public is allowed to see in Newfoundland.

It is hard to comprehend that tectonic earth plates moved the fossils to Newfoundland from near Brazil. The fossils appear to be plants much different than any that exist today.

That these living things existed 600 million years ago makes the human experience of about 200,000 years unimportant. Christianity has existed for only one percent of human history.

Christianity tells us we are the most important beings on the earth. Its plants, animals, sun and water have but one purpose, for us to exploit and enjoy. If you do the math, this makes no sense. And, if we humans are that important, why did we not show up for 600 million years?

The gentleman who hosts the Newfoundland site provided some wisdom about humans on the globe. “We’ve been around for the blink of an eye….the planet will survive us. The earth will endure. Something will replace us.”

32 Responses

  1. dean

    I don’t know how religion can sell faith that relies on imagination, when science like this is literally written in stone.

  2. Troy Kraft

    Accepting your premise that the earth has supported life for 600 million years, it seems preposterous that mankind’s actions for the past 150 years is responsible for climate change.? 150 years is approximately 0.00025% of the length of time earth has sustained life (your standard)!?

    The phenomena labeled as, “Climate Change”, “Global Warming”, etc. is the fulfillment of biblical prophecy; “And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring,” Luke 21:25. God is in control, always has been, always will be.

    1. Troy 7:07 Thanks for those thoughts.

      The phenomena labeled as, “Climate Change”, “Global Warming”, etc. is the fulfillment of biblical prophecy; “And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring,” Luke 21:25.

      No, that is not prophecy. The passage was about things going at that time. The unknown writer was trying to steer local events in the direction he wanted them to go.

      1. Troy Kraft

        Not true… this is also recorded in Matthew 24:29, and Jesus was responding to the specific question about his return and the end of times… this is indeed Jesus foretelling the future, “and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?” Matt 24:3-51

        Signs… all the more signs – the quickening frequency and pace of; earthquakes, tornados, tsunamis, volcanos, famines, etc.

        1. Tony 9:55 Signs… all the more signs – the quickening frequency and pace of; earthquakes, tornados, tsunamis, volcanos, famines, etc

          Please provide a documentation that all the events you mentioned are actually “the quickening frequency and pace.” I agree climatologists say our droughts are more severe followed by heavier rains and snow because of global warming, but I don’t know that the others you mentioned are worse than ever in history.

        2. Troy 9:55 this is indeed Jesus foretelling the future, “and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?” Matt 24:3-51

          We don’t know that Jesus ever said such a thing. There is no record of anyone taking notes when Jesus was supposed to have talked. There is no record of anyone who said, “I was there when Jesus said…” All the quotes were made up long after Jesus was supposed to have died. They were made up by the wealthy people of that time to control other people.

          1. Troy Kraft

            I wish you are joking!? These events are recorded in the Bible. The best selling book of all time. We’re told that Jesus did and said many, many, may more things. But only the most important of them were recorded in the Bible.

            Do yo think it is a coincidence that the entire world references time in relationship to the birth of Jesus of Nazareth? Think about that! A man so significant that his birth/life is the benchmark for all time (A.D. and B.C.). Why wouldn’t you want to believe and revere the words he spoke?… the wisdom he shared??… the things he foretold??? Granted it is a lot easier, and convenient to deny him – but not wise.

            Let’s pretend that athiests are “right” for a moment. We all die, and there is nothing else. I lived this life with a belief in a higher power, and there is nothing in eternity but eternity.

            Let’s pretend that Christians are “right” for a moment. We all die, and there is a judgement day. Those that served a living God, live on in eternity in God’s presence and in Paradise. Those that refused to serve God, spend eternity cast into a lake of fire and forever tormented.

            I am a risk-taker by nature. But I am absolutely unwilling to take any chances with my eternal destination.

        3. Adam Heckathorn

          What a perfect opportunity to point out that much as a game of telephone the Bible changed constantly overtime. The Bible Scholar Bart Ehrman has pointed out in looking at the extant manuscripts there are more changes in the new testament than there are words in the new testament. May I point out it is still going on? There is nothing about tornadoes or hurricanes in the sited scriptures. But it is easy to see how someone may copy and paste what has been written here and others may see it and before you know it folks will be sharing on line these new insights. 😉

          1. Henry

            Adam:“The Bible Scholar Bart Ehrman has pointed out in looking at the extant manuscripts there are more changes in the new testament than there are words in the new testament.”

            The 26,000 New Testament manuscripts have an internal consistency that is about 99.5% textually pure. Ehrman is a little off. Perhaps he is counting the different versions (KJV, ESV, etc.) and all the various language translations.

          2. entech

            Further, you do love to rabbit on about 26,000 manuscripts, there are actually thousands of copies each of a few documents. Each manuscript is not an independent entity, a separate little story from the followers of an ancient mystery cult, but many variations of several separate stories.

            There are so many copies of the different editions of the Bible in its modern form, a modern print shop can churn them out in the hundreds or more every hour (or less). There are estimated to be 500 Mill. copies of Don Quixote what does this prove apart from popularity of a good story.

          3. Juan Ruiz

            ” There are estimated to be 500 Mill. copies of Don Quixote what does this prove apart from popularity of a good story.”

            Sad thing is, no one reads DQ anymore, not even in Spain.

          4. Juan re: Don Quixote

            We have a family thing about Don Quixote. Years ago we were in Mexico and came across an folk artist image of him that we both really liked. I think it is made from dripping solder or welding rod material. I suppose we paid $5 or so. It hung it in our home for years. Then, our adult son insisted it was perfect for his office where he tries to care for an endless stream of sick people on drugs and we had to send it along.

          5. Adam Heckathorn

            Henry His findings on this aren’t disputed by other scholars. Not all those changes and errors have lead to different conclusions but many have. May I point out even what is accepted as scripture is debated among the religious. The Catholic Bible has more books. In support of my statement that there have been significant changes I have also noted that often the longest threads on Jon’s site are debates between Christians.

          6. Henry

            Adam 9:13, I guess Errman has scholarly consensus with his own positions because he says so:

            “Andreas J. Köstenberger, Darrell L. Bock and Josh D. Chatraw have disputed Ehrman’s depiction of scholarly consensus, saying: “It is only by defining scholarship on his own terms and by excluding scholars who disagree with him that Ehrman is able to imply that he is supported by all other scholarship.”[28] Michael R. Licona, notes, however, that “his thinking is hardly original, as his positions are those largely embraced by mainstream skeptical scholarship”.[26]

            Now that is atheist faith conferred onto them by an atheist higher power (Ehrmann). A former JW who got badly burnt and converted to atheism parrots Ehrman’s implications that there are no other scholars contesting some of Erhman’s wild claims. A simple quick search reveals otherwise. I also know of other scholars who dispute Errman’s findings.

        1. entech

          Erwin I thought you were a devout Catholic. But here you are advocating a book by one of the most egregious authors.
          Do you just pick books that may be anti-athiest?

          Pope Francis has declared evolution and the Big Bang theory to be real, while adding that God isn’t “a magician with a magic wand.” The comments, while not completely unprecedented for the Catholic Church, goes against the “pseudo theory” of intelligent design encouraged by the previous pope, Benedict XVI.

          The Pope made the comments while addressing the plenary assembly of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, which gathered at the Vatican to discuss “Evolving Concepts of Nature.”

          For all my complaints about Roman Catholicism id believe they have an excellent reputation in modern science (except some dogmatic points like stem cell research).

  3. Henry

    Jon:“Darwin was familiar with how life with evolution moved along during the Cambrian Period, that time beginning about 542 million years ago.”

    Thank you for bringing that up. Darwin doesn’t (wouldn’t) have much to celebrate over. The increasing finds and results documenting the Cambrian Explosion have grenaded his theory. Chuck said, “If numerous species, belonging to the same genera or families, have really started into life all at once, the fact would be fatal to the theory to descent with slow modification though natural selection.”
    Fatal it is. That is too bad about evolution. Some have so much time invested into it. All for naught. Well, now we can move on.

    1. entech

      Carm down Henry. Evolution is neutral neither requiring nor denying a creator entity as a first start.
      The alternative is a 6000 year old earth with everything created in seven days, actually 6 days and then a day off which explains the bigly lack of perfection. Bit of an insult to your God to suggest that he was to tired to finish the job don’t you think?

  4. Troy Kraft

    Faith doesn’t rely on imagination. Rather, faith is a deep trust in an all powerful God – bolstered by biblical prophecy already fulfilled; Alexander the Great [Then a goat “came from the west…” Daniel 8:5], formation of the nation of Israel on May 14, 1948 [‘A nation shall be born in a day.’ Isaiah 66:8]. The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls. The discovery of Egyptian chariot wheels in the bottom of the Red Sea. Stars in the night sky; “The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament showeth his handiwork. Psalms 19:1.

    “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.” Psalms 14:1

        1. Troy 10:14 Remnant of Egyptian styled chariot wheels

          They are not dated. No one knows the wheels were from chariots or even from Egyptians. Same with the bones.

          The government of Israel has paid for research for some 20 years to establish evidence of the Moses story. They have found nothing. They have blown off these circus wagon wheels. The professor from Israel who has been looking for evidence all this time says there is none.

          1. Troy Kraft

            Fact. Not true. 14th century BC.

            I get it. You’re an antagonist not really interested in the truth, or even a fair, fact-based debate. You pass your days searching the internet for what you think will be provocative topics, or at the very least a provocative headline. You paraphrase the ‘tripe’ and hope that it will trigger responses from the small audience that stumble across your simple posts. Your responses are lazy, dismissive, and unworthy of anyone serious about meaningful conversations.

            I offer you my sympathies.

          2. Troy 10:59 Fact. Not true. 14th century BC.

            You are making stuff up here, Troy. The article you linked which had the story about a picture and bones allegedly from near where the tale said there was a crossing said the items WERE NOT DATED. It is only your opinion as to when they are from and what they are. It is interesting the stuff and the picture are from 1986 and no one has gone back there in shallow water to look again. The whole thing smells like fraud.

          3. entech

            Troy, does this mean you consider yourself fair minded and open minded and are prepared to consider the possibility that you are wrong?

            Just lately we have been getting books recommended by people who converted to Christianity (at least belief in a creator) while studying from an atheist viewpoint. There are, however, as many books that point in the opposite direct, theologians that have turned atheist or at least agnostic (or simply ended with severe doubts).

        2. entech

          Many believe
          I saw your president being asked about his talk of millions of illegal voters, the size of crowds and so on. Instead of confirming or denying that this was what he thought to be the truth he said, as you do – Many believe. No matter how many believe it is not a measure of truth and accuracy.

          1. entech 7:24 Instead of confirming or denying that this was what he thought to be the truth he said, as you do – Many believe.

            We hear about the “many believe” so often here. That is what Matt uses as do others. But, it is likely that one day the “many” will believe something entirely different than today’s “many”. Then what??

          2. entech

            Jon, what will happen when one day the “many” will believe something entirely different than today’s “many”. Then a lot of people will believe something different, something which will bear the same relationship to the truth as the previous beliefs. What people believe and how many subscribe to each belief has no relationship to whether it is true or false.

            Except in the case of Henry, whatever Henry chooses to believe is true by definition. If we listen to Henry a few months ago instead of being back on the scene and looking well Hilary should be dead in jail. The new competition is to see which can get the most people to believe their lies, poor Hilary she is being slaughtered in the lying competition by an expert – all her aces are being Trumped, so to speak.

    1. unregenerate

      Troy Kraft 03.10.2017 @ 7:32 pm

      You are secure in your conviction. Your faith is grounded in absolute trust of an omnipotent deity and reinforced by ‘fulfilled’ prophecy. You have surrendered your imagination in matters of faith to passages from a book. You seek everlasting life. You pray for resurrection from earthly death to a deep eternity of worship free of suffering in a place called heaven.

      I do sense some imagination involved in Alexander the Great being the fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy in 536-530 B.C. of a goat coming from the west and only the formation of Israel in 1948 fulfilling the prophecy of “A nation shall be born in a day.” from Isaiah (700-681 B.C.) and wheels more recently found at the bottom of the Red Sea as confirmation of Gods ‘handiwork’ as mentioned in a verse from the Psalms written between 1410-450 B.C..

      I now take the liberty provided by my imagination of prophesying that you sir will join your deity in ‘heaven’ where you will joyfully worship your almighty god for ever and ever. Until this prophesy is fulfilled I wish you a long and rewarding journey here on the Big Blue Marble.

    2. Adam Heckathorn

      When I was a believer I was troubled by a Watchtower article on why we can know that the book of Daniel wasn’t written after the events prophesied. It never occurred to me that the book of Daniel was suspect. There are reasons to believe it was written later. one is the language used is said to have been language that hadn’t developed the use of certain words for centuries, loan words from other languages incorporated much later. There are significant events that are not discussed that happened shortly after events mentioned that tell us it was probably written right after certain events that were described but before other important events not mentioned. The language used corroborates this both leading to a particular time period. Why would God allow this sort of doubt? If I were God I’d make sure to provide indisputable proof. I don’t have “Faith” that climate change is real I have the evidence provided by climatologists and scientists from other fields.

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