Are Atheists Trustworthy

Research about the attitudes of the general U. S. population toward atheists tells us the majority would answer this question, NO.

In U. S. culture, the prevailing view is that humans are not a trustworthy bunch. They have no ability to keep themselves on the straight and narrow and need an invisible being to keep them in line.  Apparently, the message in the “original sin” is so ingrained in the U. S. psych it cannot be dislodged. This even though the original sin concept is ridiculous.

Senator Jeff Sessions, the soon to be Attorney General, is a case in point. When he was a Senator considering the qualifications of Judge Sotomayor he questioned whether people without religion could be considered trustworthy. Then more recently while himself being questioned for the AG position he was queasy about the potential damage of a secular world view. All this while also insisting there can be no religious test for holding public office.

To an atheist, this is curious when we note that the Christian faith is all about unknown authors of a Bible that makes threats of punishment and rewards that are all invisible and metered out by invisible beings. The more trustworthy  would be openness and accountability. Atheists holds on to no such invisible and unaccountable rewards and punishment.

That humans were born sinful and need religion to keep them in line was genius. It is so powerful that to this day it influences the thinking of an Attorney General.

21 Responses

  1. entech

    I don’t want to paint the broad brush strokes but a large proportion of religious people say that non-believers can’t be trusted because they do not accept the threat of divine punishment. Some even admit that they would do some pretty awful things if it were not for fear of retribution. Now I confess when I was a little boy I was sometimes tempted to take an apple from and orchard, rarely succumbed not from fear of the invisible but from fear of the very large and fierce farmer. Zarathustra had as a guiding principle do good because it is the right thing to do.

    “Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things.
    But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”
    ? Steven Weinberg

  2. Jinx

    Religion sure hasn’t stopped crime, war crimes, theft, embezzlement, rape, exploitation etc. I have seen religion used as justification for horrible crimes and treatment of “those people” through out history…….if anything, religion has aided and abetted crimes for 2 centuries. I’ll take an atheist word over ‘the righteous’ characters most days.

    1. Jinx 9:29 if anything, religion has aided and abetted crimes for 2 centuries.
      We all know there have been good and bad Christians and atheists as well as Muslim, Hindus and whatever. The doctrines of Christianity are what bothers me. Claims of the invisible and the unsubstantiated.

  3. Matt Noah

    Fargo trusted an atheist mayor for over a decade. The USA trusted the atheist Obama. Both Fargo and the USA survived. I would rather trust both to people of faith who are competent leaders. Competency is key. Trump is competent. Burgum is competent.

    1. entech

      I do wish you people, The Matt and The Henry as examples, would come to some kind of consensus. It is obvious you all agree that you hate Obama, but can you explain how he can be both a Muslim and an Atheist.

      1. entech

        😳 so I forgot one is Catholic and the other A creationist Lutheran, the only thing they can agree on is their intense antipathy to Jon and anyone else the consider “The Atheist” or even the other.

      2. Matt Noah

        I do wish you people, Jon, entech and Jinx, as examples, would come to sind kind of consensus. It is obvious you all agree that you hate Trump, but can you explain how he can be both a Christian and an atheist.

        1. entech

          It is quite obvious that you can’t be both, I don’t remember anyone that you mention discussing his religion except to say that who would say anything convenient.

          On the other hand we do get things like this:
          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christian-chiakulas/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-christian-atheist_b_8866378.html

          I have been thinking about trying to explain a few things but decided against it, just leave it at needing a definition before you can even ask a question let alone answer it.
          With being so deeply entrenched in your ancient dogma any explanation just gets you dug in deeper.

    2. Matt 10:52 Competency is key. Trump is competent.

      You have said a couple to times he is exceeding expectations. We thought he would do crazy things. He has threatened to invade Mexico with troops. He is threatening to take funding away from USc Berkley. I never expected such things.

      1. Matt Noah

        Fake news about Mexico. Even Mexico has refuted it. Stop parroting your crazy sources. Berkeley receives federal dollars and allows people to beat people with metal pipes if they are conservative. Perhaps they will create a safe environment for all students if their federal dollars are threatened. I and most sane people in America support the President. I never expected the hatred from the left that has led to this toxic environment. If the rioters in Berkeley and elsewhere are not arrested, jailed and charged, they will continue. The right never acted this way when Clinton or Obama were elected. Nice job of being crazy. Jail them.

  4. Matt Noah

    In general, atheists are not to be trusted because they are their own God. Their morality is not a shared morality but a morality of self. In other words, they have little to no sense of guilt. Any wrong they commit they can gloss over by claiming it is a new morality. Killing pro-Trump folks? If they could get away with it without going to jail, it is moral. Running over a Christian praying outside an abortion center? No problem except for that violation of the law and the spectre of a jail sentence.

    A Christian, Jew, Muslim, etc. often answer to a higher power, i.e. God, which obviates the need for a law. They fear the sin they commit rather than the jail sentence. Their morality, while personalized, is not personal. It is a shared morality of their faith.

    Which brings us to Biden, Pelosi and Kaine. Enough said. While we are all sinners, they seem to relish in contempt for their own Catholic Faith, defying it to the point where one asks if they are truly Catholic or actually atheists. Some call them cafeteria Catholics. Well, I don’t eat there so I wouldn’t know. We will all answer for our sins some day.

    To quote the Bible and the Noah passage again,

    1 God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, ‘Breed, multiply and fill the earth.

    2 Be the terror and the dread of all the animals on land and all the birds of heaven, of everything that moves on land and all the fish of the sea; they are placed in your hands.

    3 Every living thing that moves will be yours to eat, no less than the foliage of the plants. I give you everything,

    4 with this exception: you must not eat flesh with life, that is to say blood, in it.

    5 And I shall demand account of your life-blood, too. I shall demand it of every animal, and of man. Of man as regards his fellow-man, I shall demand account for human life.

    6 He who sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for in the image of God was man created.

    7 Be fruitful then and multiply, teem over the earth and subdue it!’

    REMEMBER, thinking of abortion, “And I shall demand account of your life-blood, too. I shall demand it of very animal, and of man. Of man as regards to his fellow-man, I shall demand account for human life. He who sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for in the image of God was man created.”

    Are you pro-abortionists ready to render unto God an account of the life-blood of your fellow man?

    1. grandma

      Matt, you have drifted too far from shore. If the religious behave because they are afraid of being punished for irritating any of the gods (for eating shellfish or wearing clothing made from two different materials, among other examples), then they have not internalized their religious belief system. I have had supposed Christians tell me that without fear of divine punishment they would run through the streets, raping and pillaging. And, by the way, there are some plants whose foliage I would advise you not to eat…

        1. grandma

          Your # 3: Every living thing that moves will be yours to eat, no less than the foliage of the plants.
          I simply advised you that eating the foliage of all the living plants is not a good plan if you want to remain alive and healthy.

          Your #4: with this exception: you must not eat flesh with life, that is to say blood, in it.
          Oh no, all steaks must now be cooked well-done? What will the neighbors think as we burn t-bones on our grill?

          And me: If you have internalized Christian teachings, you should not need to fear your god to behave in a kind manner towards others. If you can’t be nice on your own I feel sorry for you.

    2. Matt 11:22 REMEMBER, thinking of abortion, “And I shall demand account of your life-blood, too. I shall demand it of very animal, and of man. Of man as regards to his fellow-man, I shall demand account for human life. He who sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for in the image of God was man created

      So, you are arguing this says, literally, that the fertilized egg is a human being and to kill it is murder? When I read it I don’t see that anywhere.

    3. Mike

      No we dont. No atheist thinks they are their own god. That would be completely hypocritical to the ideal.

      This whole paragraph is bullshit. “In general, atheists are not to be trusted because they are their own God. Their morality is not a shared morality but a morality of self. In other words, they have little to no sense of guilt. Any wrong they commit they can gloss over by claiming it is a new morality. Killing pro-Trump folks? If they could get away with it without going to jail, it is moral. Running over a Christian praying outside an abortion center? No problem except for that violation of the law and the spectre of a jail sentence.”

      You have any idea how insulting this is?

      1. Mike 9:40 When we get down to brass facts, Christians are over represented in prisons and jails, atheists are under represented. If breaking the law is sign of morality, atheists have better morals.

      2. entech

        Mike, we should learn to be more tolerant. We should take two things into account when talking of The Matt and his ilk
        1. These are the words of man who has been brainwashed since a child and cannot think beyond a limited dogma.
        2. The man is a raving loonie. (not an insult an observation, of course I could be wrong) and anything you say or do to demonstrate that another way of thinking is possible only serves to more deeply entrench his delusions.

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