This Is The Election About Abortion Rights

Abortion has been brought up by both candidates in passing. Trump has said he is against abortion because he knew someone who fathered an unplanned baby and is delighted with it. Clinton says in every stump speech she stands for women’s right to determine their own health care treatment. This is code language to abortion rights.

Several right wing religious “leaders”, probably a better word is celebrities, have said the only thing they like about Trump is his pledge to appoint anti choice Supreme Court Judges. The editors of Christian Post have said this as well as Franklin Graham and Dobson.

The anti abortion industry has crowed about a slight uptick in polling numbers against abortion and especially late term abortion. The late term number reversed recently after the Zika warnings against pregnancy.

This election is about the role of the white male. In this way, it is about abortion. A 2014 poll of U. S. respondents found the 51% of men oppose abortion while only 40% of women oppose it. With women on the ascendency in the professional and political world does anyone think they will become increasingly anti abortion? One would expect the opposite.

One doesn’t need a Ph.D. in political science to see that the leaders in the anti abortion industry are almost exclusively white males. Also, anyone with a tiny bit of interest in politics can see that Obama was elected with large turn outs of nonwhite and female voters.

Abortion rights are about to become more secure.

48 Responses

  1. Chuck Z

    No. This election, as with every election, is about politicians pandering to whatever they think will garner them the most votes. You, of all people, know this. But being honest about it wouldn’t do much for your blog, would it?

    1. Chuck Z 9:50 You, of all people, know this. But being honest about it wouldn’t do much for your blog, would it?

      I don’t know why you would find it dishonest that I talk about demographics. The demographics of national elections favors abortion rights and harms white male dominated anti abortion politics.

    2. Chuck Z 9:50 You, of all people, know this. But being honest about it wouldn’t do much for your blog, would it?

      I don’t know why you would find it dishonest that I talk about demographics. The demographics of national elections favors abortion rights and harms white male dominated anti abortion politics.

  2. The Julius Project

    “Abortion rights are about to become more secure.”

    Do you suppose similar messages were touted 43 years ago at the time of Roe?

    Here we are…a generation later…and abortion is hardly a settled matter. In fact, opposition to abortion is growing stronger.

    1. Julius 10:35 and abortion is hardly a settled matter. In fact, opposition to abortion is growing stronger.

      Besides the weaker political demographic, the Supreme Court warned the anti abortion industry it can no longer lie. That will hurt.

    1. Matt 10:49 Jon is hurting for posts to his blog so he brings out the abortion troll. I plan to ignore him. Adios

      My advice is to stick with you earlier decision to vote for Trump. That will really turn things in your direction.

    1. The Julius Project

      Should stock brokers and investors be the only ones allowed to discuss stock market ethics? Should debates about war be restricted to those in the military?

      It was an all male Supreme Court judiciary who ruled on Roe. To use your logic, those men had no business meddling in the lives of women.

      Men are entitled to take a position on abortion. Abolitionist Samuel May once said to feminist Susan B. Anthony that because she was single she had no business talking about the institution of marriage. Anthony pointed out that the same logic demanded that May should quit speaking about slavery since he had never been a slave

      To use your logic…Slavery [is between] a master and their slave [and is no one else’s business, period.]

      Is that the argument you wish to make, Jinx?

      1. Jinx

        julie, comparing the stock market, war, the institution of slavery, etc to women is ridiculous and you know it. Your question is meant to misdirect and nothing else.

    2. Ryan

      Agreed. Women should definitely be able to make the choice to selfishly end another human life, with the permission of their doctor, of course.

      1. Ryan 6:51 Agreed. Women should definitely be able to make the choice to selfishly end another human life, with the permission of their doctor, of course.

        I’ve explained this countless times here, but it needs to be done often. If a human being is present in a woman at conception, the woman will be legally responsible for the life of that human. Anything she does that is construed to be dangerous or harmful puts her at odds with law enforcement. The result of a human born at conception then will be law enforcement monitoring of pregnant women. Miscarriages, the disappearance of a human being will all have to be investigated by local police or sheriffs. This is all ready happening in some local communities.

        The result is that pregnant women will be in a situation similar to a convict’s parole.

      2. Juan Ruiz

        “Women should definitely be able to make the choice to selfishly end another human life”

        Given the oft-leveled criticism at the anti-abortion crowd that interest in the fetus ends at birth, perhaps they can make the choice to unselfishly adopt each baby brought to full term.

        1. Juan 12:04 Given the oft-leveled criticism at the anti-abortion crowd that interest in the fetus ends at birth, perhaps they can make the choice to unselfishly adopt each baby brought to full term.

          Another unselfish move would be for anti abortionists to provide financial support to low income mothers who have an unplanned pregnancy.

          1. pqbd

            Juan 12:04 and Jon

            Extensive adoption services and maternal support provided by the anti-abortion proponents could add a new dimension to the Planned Parenthood model

          2. Jinx

            As a planned parenthood clinic manager, I developed `an extensive listing of advocates and Doctors who worked with girls and women who were thinking about open adoption as well as adoption referrals. It was part of our pregnancy resources booklet, which included social services and public health in several counties, information for a healthy pregnancy……start prenatal vitamins immediately and make a Doctor appointment, no alcohol cigarettes or drugs, including otc’s. Diet information, talking with parents and/or partner, etc. The resource booklet included abortion contact numbers. For those who were considering abortion we recommended starting prenatal vitamins anyway because they may change their mind. In no way was it ok for any staff to try and persuade the pregnant girl/ woman to make any decision. Offer all options, discuss pros and cons if she asked and support whatever decision she makes. Some chose to abort, fewer yet chose to adopt and most continued their pregnancy.

    1. Ryan 6:44 Thanks for the comment.
      Can we call the two sides by their proper names: pro-murder and anti-murder?

      By the same token, we could call the two sides for the rights of women and against the rights of women.

    2. Matt Noah

      Yes. Pro-murder and anti-murder seem appropriate for those properly informed.

      To sum up all the crazy Jon-inspired arguments, here are the answers.

      1) Try to find an infant to adopt in today’s USA society. One has to go to foreign countries.

      2) If pregnant women were being monitored by police in today’s society, they – the police – would be arrested for stalking. Jon states that women were “all ready” being monitored. I don’t know of any pregnant woman who is “all ready” but some may be ‘already’ being ignored by their baby’s father. Fatherless children is a problem. Cops monitoring pregnant women is a conjured notion from Jon’s vivid imagination.

      3) Yes, the argument can be framed as pro-women (the pro-life side) vs. anti-women (the pro-murder side).

      4) Post-natal care by Christians for the disadvantaged far outstrips any other demographic. The Blind Side movie is an example. There are countless others. Churches United for the Homeless in the FM area is not matched by an atheist or Islam-based charity. Both are welcome to assist. The idea that Christians only care for the fetus is a lie promulgated by anti-theists like Jon, etc.

      5) The abortion rate in America is declining and it isn’t due to Planned Parenthood’s efforts.

      1. Matt Noah

        Yes, Jinx is quite the master of the logical argument. One wonders if there is a corollary to “Christian Shariah” along the lines of “Islamic Mosaic” or “Jewish Druidic”. I’m sure there is no answer for “green worm”. That must have come from someone like Plato or Aristotle.

        I also get a kick out of those who like to misspell Trump as “Drumpf”. How mature. I would take all the ‘unfit for the Presidency’ arguments about Trump and point out the 100X arguments about Hillary Clinton being unfit for the Presidency. For one, she actually has a record of incompetency and dishonesty through her time in the White House as FL, as US Senator and as a failure as SOS. Not to mention her IT skills as manager of her very own secure email server; an offense that would disqualify her for a job at NDSU.

    1. Jinx

      green worm!! I thought you were ignoring me!!!! You lied! The myths I mentioned have been addressed many times over on this blog and you and chuckie never listen. I am not about to beat a dead horse.

      Shariah law is rule by religion and that is exactly what you 2 promote over and over.

      You mean I can’t pull a henri and call that loser Drumpf? That WAS his original family name

      1. Chuck Z

        You need help. Sincerely. I hope you have somebody in your family that cares enough about you to see that you get it. You’re not in a good spot right now. Nobody should be as angry as you are.

        1. Matt Noah

          Agreed.

          A little research indicates Trump is Trump, not Drumpf. Sometime in the 1600s the German name Drumpf was changed to Trump. Check snopes or Wikipedia. Yawn.

        2. Chuck 6:33 You need help. Sincerely. I hope you have somebody in your family that cares enough about you to see that you get it. You’re not in a good spot right now. Nobody should be as angry as you are.

          Actually, you are the one slipping over the edge. You are probably unable to notice this about yourself. Only a few posts ago you observed that Jinx had not refuted issues but stung back at an insult. In this post you are not replying the issues she has raised but diverting to personal insult.

          1. Matt Noah

            There are no signs of Chuck Z “slipping over the edge”. If anything, Chuck Z was showing genuine concern for an individual. If that is “slipping over the edge”, then I think our society could use a lot more of it.

          2. Chuck Z

            Showing concern for somebody is an “insult” in your mind? Read Jinx’s posts. Nearly all of them are hatred filled rants at people she doesn’t agree with. She has stated numerous times the trauma she underwent when she was younger. I’d imagine that has something to do with her outward aggressions now. Again, I hope that she has somebody close to her that cares enough to help. You’re off base on your insinuations, Jon.

          3. Chuck Z 11:07 Showing concern for somebody is an “insult” in your mind?

            Concern for you mental health is what I am expressing. Really, you are not in a good place.

          4. Chuck Z

            Hey! It’s entech jumping to Jon’s defense!

            Telling that I, the “Christian Shariah”, is the only one showing concern for Jinx’s well being.

          5. Chuck Z

            You seem to be taking this rather personally, Jon. Instead of poking me in an attempt to get a reaction, why don’t you reach out to Jinx and make sure she’s okay. I’ll be fine. My co-workers at the insane asylum will make sure of that.

          6. Chuck Z 11:56 Instead of poking me in an attempt to get a reaction, why don’t you reach out to Jinx and make sure she’s okay.

            Jinx is fine. I’m reaching out to you with concern.

        3. Matt Noah

          Chuck Z: Jinx is not OK and probably never will be unless she finds Christ. Jon won’t help her as that is not Jon’s mission. Jon likes to foment. You like to minister and heal.

          I’m sure Jinx has moments of peacefulness but not true peace. She probably gets reinforced about her rage and that settles her down until the next outburst. I’m near certain the ‘green worm’ comment will come out again soon along with some vague reference to Christian Shariah. We’ll probably also get treated to a ‘look at the history of postings’ rather than an argument or a fact.

          Change will happen only when a person is willing to change.

  3. entech

    You mean I can’t pull a henri and call that loser Drumpf? That WAS his original family name
    Nice to see an honest agreement from you. As she says “That WAS his original family name”.
    I wonder why you never chide Henry on his consistent and deliberate playing games with names – could it be that he always picks on people that you also dislike intensely – that is anyone not an extreme right wing religious extremist like you and Henry.

    Christian Sharia is only a specific instance of anyone that wants to impose their own religious prejudices on everyone else, so we would have Islamic Sharia (pretty common already and a warning against getting what you wish for), Judaic Sharia, Druidic Sharia or maybe even Satanic Sharia. Another word could be Majesterium.

  4. Matt Noah

    The origins of the surname Lindgren and some of its original spellings:

    http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Lindgren

    And Noah although I would point to the Bible first:

    http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Noah

    Then there is the surname Clinton:

    http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Clinton

    “Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to “develop” often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling.”

    You can look up Rodham.

    Just to keep you chasing your tails around the kitchen table, try this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsbDt8TabUo

    Regardless, out of respect for a person, Donal Trump is Donald Trump, not Drumpf as some like to chide.

    1. Matt Noah

      So, Lindgren is derived from the lime tree, of all things. What else does the entry have to say about Lindgren. “Quite why lime trees should have produced such a popular surname is unclear, but it may be that the lime was associated with pagan religions.”

      O my goodness, this is as bad as Ben Affleck’s ancestors owning slaves – http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3051415/Is-embarrassing-Ben-Affleck-THREE-slave-owning-ancestors-one-bought-negro-boy-called-Tobe-80-pounds-family-s-New-England-farm-tannery.html

      Then there is Anderson Cooper, Benedict Cumberbath, Paula Deen, Mitt Romney, David Cameron, Bill Paxton, Pastor Rick Warren, the Bush family, and …. Barack Obama. All descendents of slave-owners.

      And our own Jon Lindgren, alias “Jon Lime” may have been associated with pagan religions by virtue of his ancestors.

      Actually, we are NOT our ancestors. So, if Drumpf is put to rest then we won’t have to refer to Jon as Jon Lime or reference his potential association with pagan religions.

      1. Matt–re: surnames That’s interesting. My last name is “Lindgren” for this reason. My grandfather and his brother came from Sweden to Chicago. They did construction work. They saved up a few dollars and came to central Iowa where they knew someone or had relatives. Their father back in Sweden was named Peter so their name was Peterson. When they got to central Iowa they found three unrelated families named Peterson. So, they chose Lindgren off a list someone provided.

    2. Matt Noah

      There’s more! This from the notorious atheist Richard Dawkins.

      The atheist blowhard is directly descended from Henry Dawkins, the owner of a Jamaica plantation and over 1,000 slaves until his death in 1744. The family’s 400-acre estate in England, where Dawkins lives, was reportedly bought with money made from slave ownership.

      Perhaps he should be drumpfed out of the ranks of respectable atheists. Sorry, I couldn’t help it.

  5. Jinx

    I assure you all that I am just fine, please christian shariah cultists, your concern for my mental health is facetious at best. I will use any tactic I can on your continuous circular arguments for amusement, it is the only way rattle your caged mind.

    worm, you said you were ignoring me a few days ago……..again, you lied!

    Drumpf in the 1600’s or the 1900’s is still the old family name.

    I have great respect for most people on this site, the exception is our local cult bullies who try to jam their beliefs down everyones throats. I keep saying they are on the wrong blog but they keep coming back for more…….go figure, and they question my sanity? Can you spell masochist?

    1. Jinx 2:43 Jon, here is a link discussing the abortion lies the Supreme Court has tackled.

      Thanks. So, the next crusade it having expensive funerals for tiny pools of blood. A funeral directors bonanza–except they deal with bodies not tiny pools of blood. Then there is mental illness caused by abortions. The absurd march of lies and distortion goes on.

      1. Matt Noah

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Marcotte

        I read as much as I could stomach out of the Salon.com garbage. It surely isn’t news. To say it is opinion would be an insult to the word. It simply is a 38-year-old female version of Jon Lindgren, who, as Wikipedia has noted is “perpetually outraged.” Sounds like we may have found Jinx of a younger version of Jinx.

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