The Pope Will Give Passes On Abortion.

A nine year old girl was pregnant with twins, raped by a step father. The previous Pope, Benedict, ruled that even though an abortion was required, this would exclude the little girl and her mother permanently from the Church. Under Pope Benedict, abortion was an unpardonable sin.

Now we learn Pope Francis has changed the rules. Abortion has become a pardonable sin. The new Pope has dispatched emissaries around the world to notify clergy they are to pardon those who have had abortions.

I must give a disclaimer here, I don’t understand why anyone cares what any Pope thinks is a sin or what level of a sin something is. People are perfectly able to figure out for themselves what they should and should not do.

I’ve tried to understand how this might change the thinking of a pregnant Catholic woman contemplating an abortion. Perhaps before this Pope’s change she would have thought she must keep the abortion a secret because she would be excluded from some Catholic ceremonies. Now, she knows she would be forgiven.

The odd thing about the Catholic faith is that its people look to the clergy to learn how and what they are supposed to think. It has been said on this blog’s discussion page doing the religion this way is rational because views are not all over the park.

This rather dramatic change, however, shows that if you get an out-of-the-box Pope. The faithful are instructed to slip out-of-the-box as well.

[A link discussing this development is found in comments.]

38 Responses

  1. If Scripture alone is the Church’s authority…this stuff doesn’t happen. This the Reformed position. Sola Scriptura is one of The 5 Solas giving all Authority to God and His Word and not leaving it up to fallible men who change. Scripture never changes…only what man wishes it to say.

    1. Julius 2:10 Scripture never changes…only what man wishes it to say.

      Thank you for explaining that. Are you saying the Pope has no authority to direct priests to give forgiveness to women who have had abortions?

      1. I’m saying that that is the Roman church’s position…not the Reformed Protestant position. Those of the Reformed position rely on Christ Jesus alone (another of the 5 Solas) as our only priest who is able to forgive sin. Yes…Christ can even forgive the sin of abortion. He is our mediator between us and God. He is our only mediator whom we ask for forgiveness directly. Christ is the Head of the Church.

        1. Julius 2:36 Yes…Christ can even forgive the sin of abortion. He is our mediator between us and God. He is our only mediator whom we ask for forgiveness directly. Christ is the Head of the Church

          Why did one Pope say priests could not forgive abortion and another Pope say they could?

          1. Why did one Pope say priests could not forgive abortion and another Pope say they could?

            This is confusing to those that believe all Popes are wrong, probably one of the few points of agreement between us and them 🙂

    2. Wanna B Sure

      Julius; Respectfully; As a point of clarification: I am assuming when you specifically say; “Reformed position”- – “Reformed Protestant position”, you are referring to the multitude of churches that are primarily Calvinistic. Those who roughly follow Armenius’s emphasis would not normally be included. Many here may not be aware of this. and think all non-Catholics are “Reformed”, (Capital R.) A seemingly small, but important point.

  2. .e

    “By what authority?” This is the question to be asked when anyone follows some person or group of people.

    For me as a Catholic, I follow the Church because I believe in God who has revealed himself through his Son, Jesus. Jesus specifically chose a group of 12 with Peter at their lead. These men have witness to Jesus death and resurrection. Jesus gave Peter the authority to build the One true church. This is my authority in faith.

  3. So how many unforgivable sins are there left? Because I don’t even hold with the concept of sin, this is an academic question, but a legitimate one in this forum, I think.

  4. .e

    No sin is unforgivable. To be reconciled to God and his church, the person need to ask. If the sun is mortal, grave in nature, done knowingly and without coercion, that forgiveness needs to be given thru the sacrament of confession. A very small number of sins bring excommunication. This doesn’t mean that the person is damned but there is a more formal process to lift that and given access to the sacraments.

    1. .e 12:34 No sin is unforgivable

      That’s what I thought until I read that Benedict ordered refusal of communion to the nine year old’s (who had an abortion) mother. Maybe what was written about Benedict was incorrect.

    2. Wolfy32

      The bible says there is one unforgivable sin… Just FYI. Not all sins are forgivable according to the bible.

      1. .e

        The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) states, “There are no limits to the mercy of God, but anyone who deliberately refuses to accept his mercy by repenting, rejects the forgiveness of his sins and the salvation offered by the Holy Spirit. Such hardness of heart can lead to final impenitence and eternal loss” (CCC 1864).

  5. Matt Noah

    Jon: I must give a disclaimer here, I don’t understand why anyone cares what any Pope thinks is a sin or what level of a sin something is.

    You care enough to dedicate your retired life to pretty much nothing but this and related subjects. The sad thing is that your hatred for religion is so toxic it infects others and cements your soul far away from God.

    1. It must be so sad to be filled with a hatred that is so toxic that you feel the need to reflect it back onto anyone that does not believe as you do.

      Ever think that the true haters are the ones that incessantly accuse others of that very same sin.

      I bet you go to Fr.J. for you confessions at least he is on your side.

      1. Wolfy32

        I don’t know whatever was done to Matt by Jon, but, it’s ironic to me that Matt uses religion as his soap box to get personal revenge against Jon.

        The hatred is obvious to all Christians and nons alike except himself. Hopefully he learns the art of forgiveness as many of us have already learned.

          1. Wolfy32

            Always the persecuted… lol. I’ve learned early in life, that one is only a persecuted victim if they choose to be.. One can be persecuted, bullied, abused, what choice of words you choose, one can also choose to not remain a victim of said abuses..

          2. Henry

            No worries, mate. Some precincts have Australian Shepherd dogs. However, there is one precinct down under that has an annoying ankle biter with a very sharp yap. I do not think he is a shepherd, though. He is no problem, just annoying.

            Here in America, we have ankle biters as well. They are no problem. One in Iowa, several in Fargo. They are slightly less annoying. The one in Iowa is probably the best behaved in manners. However, don’t let this manners fool you. He will nip when given a chance, but mostly harmless. Every once in awhile, he will root around in some Republican’s donated expired cans making such a clatter and fuss.

        1. Matt Noah

          Let’s review today’s wonderful blog by Jon, totally fair-minded (as always), entitled “The Pope Will Give Passes on Abortion.” Jon never tries to incite hatred or get under people’s skin. He would never try to use religion as a soapbox to upset anyone. He loves his fellow man; even those that don’t necessarily agree with him. His blog titles appear in big, bold letters on the Forum website. I bet Jon knows that. What do you think?

          And who can forget some of other Jon’s loving post titles like “Religion Loves Rape.” That was particularly nuanced and subtle; almost like he was trying to extend an olive branch to people who feed the poor, house the homeless, clothe the naked and love rape.

          It makes one wonder why more people don’t like free-thinking atheists!

    2. Matt 12:58 I don’t understand why anyone cares what any Pope thinks is a sin or what level of a sin something is. You care enough to dedicate your retired life to pretty much nothing but this and related subjects. The sad thing is that your hatred for religion is so toxic it infects others and cements your soul far away from God

      There is a small army of men who work for the Vatican cranking out press releases about what the Pope says and thinks and making him look good. On this blog, there is just me. I can assure you I am committing no sin nor does my blogging cement my soul far away from God.

      I always appreciate, however, the concern by others for my soul.

        1. Matt 2:31 You’re such a victim.

          It’s hard for me to claim the victim role.

          Religious zealots have not deprived me of abortions or the opportunity to marry. Those who are so condemned by religion have a right to such a claim. Atheist groups don’t get the tax breaks religious groups do, but I’m not complaining about that.

          1. Matt Noah

            Oh, but we have imposed our Ten Commandments all over you. You can’t steal (except by government). You can’t murder (except by abortion). You can’t rape.

            The victim comment was totally tongue-in-cheek. You are actually one of the biggest bullies around. The Forum enables you. If you spouted off against Blacks like you do against Christians you would be run off of this blog quicker than entech could say something stupid.

          2. Henry

            Jon, how dare you! Follow your own rules and expectations. This female has a doctor. A sharp-dressed retired white male economist from Iowa apparently knows better that the baby should be aborted than the healthcare providers involved. Now your rules change. Apparently it is not about privacy between a female and her doctor. Let’s discard that principle. You are flip flopping all over the place.

          3. “Something stupid”
            So sad that you need the commandments to prevent you doing all those awful things, Somehow I just know that somethings are wrong anyway.

  6. Matt Noah

    If you ever could give a true and accurate reflection of the Church’s actual position it would probably kill you and several of us.

  7. Fr. James

    Jon, could you try to do your homework? In fact abortion has ALWAYS been a pardonable sin. First it IS a sin, IF the person does it with full consent of the will and sufficient knowledge. Second, like any sin, if it is confessed it can be forgiven. Pope Francis is simply sending out priests with the faculty to lift any canonical penalty that might have been incurred. I will not try to explain latae sententia penalties to you since you are rather dense, but most of the time there is no penalty, most especially if the person is very young. In fact a nine year old would have no penalty and unlikely any sin given her age and condition. In fact most priests already have this faculty in most dioceses.

    So Benedict and Francis are exactly the SAME on this issue. And your characterization of Benedict is in fact a lie and calumny. Par for the course for a man who lied to get into office in Fargo.

    Pope Francis: From the May 9 address to the bishops of Mozambique:

    Among the functions of the episcopal conference […] I encourage a decisive development of good relations with the government, not of dependence, but of healthy collaboration […], with particular attention to the laws that are approved in parliament. Beloved bishops, spare no effort in supporting the family and in defending life from its conception until natural death. In this regard, remember the choices proper to a disciple of Christ and the beauty of being a mother accompanied by the support of the family and of the local community. May the family always be defended as a privileged source of fraternity, respect for others, and the primary pathway of peace.

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