Other Advanced Societies Paralleled the Jews.

This month’s National Geographic has it usual stunning pictures, but also an article about an ancient and prosperous society around 2,500 BCE.  It was not in the Middle East, but on Scotland’s remote Orkney Islands.

The artifacts pictured are of buildings produced by advanced architecture from what was obviously a complex society.  It is not known who they were or what became of them.  But, because they used stones, some history of the group remains.  Wooden buildings would not have left us with as much.

Two parts of the Scotland story struck me.  One was that the layout of the buildings point to some religious meaning.  Commerce and religion were mixed, perhaps like the Mexican catholic churches surrounded by the market plaza.

The other is that the society and its religion came to a dramatic end.  There was some kind of huge final festival followed by destruction and burial of the complex buildings that had served for some 1000 years.

A couple of events are speculated to have played a role in the society’s demise.  One was weather which seemed to have changed and crop yields may have suffered. The other was the bronze age which changed societies in many ways.

In any case, the society whose buildings and religion must have amazed and intimidated other groups of the time is lost to the sands of time.  Like thousands of other religions, outside forces swept one religion out and another in.

It makes one see our religions and our time as insignificant.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2014/08/neolithic-orkney/brodgar-graphic

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18 Responses to Other Advanced Societies Paralleled the Jews.

  1. Michael Ross says:

    Be of good cheer, Jon. Covenant Christian America has been conquered. It has gone into a Babylonian style captivity and you and millions like you are celebrating its demise.

    “Those from the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will look at their dead bodies for three and a half days, and will not permit their dead bodies to be laid in a tomb. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and celebrate; and they will send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth. But after the three and a half days, the breath of life from God came into them, and they stood on their feet; and great fear fell upon those who were watching them.…”(Revelation 10: 9-11)

    The TWO WITNESSES were the Law and the Prophets in the O.T. Today they are the Church and the Word, that is the Bible. They are dead and lying the the street of the Great City Babylon, that is the world’s financial system. But see what happens. The same thing that happened to Jesus after 3 days and nights in the tomb. He triumphantly arose. So will His Church and the Word.

    “And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” (Matthew 16:18)

    ” Like thousands of other religions, outside forces swept one religion out and another in.
    It makes one see our religions and our time as insignificant.”

    Celebrate while you can. The “gates of hell will not prevail” against Christ and His church. Neither will Jon and his “Freethinkers”.

    • entech says:

      You always seem so sure about these things Michael, in face of civilizations so far removed from the that tiny part of the world that knew nothing about the thinking of Hebrews, even local religions Egypt, Mesopotamia Assyria were more advanced.
      Scara Brae in Orkneys is a fascinating place to see, China had a huge sophisticated civilization – if you are a young earther you really need to consider how these civilisations developed so soon after all but a few had been slaughtered in the flood. China especially, how did so many bread so quickly, so far away and develop with such a long history, and incidentally how did their appeance change so much?

  2. Sam Yates says:

    I’ve read several of your posts. They all seem to belittle Christianity and attempt to dismiss it as some sort of fable. That being said, let us consider our current situation. Within ten years (If we have that long) Islam will be the largest religion in the U.S. ISIS’s aim is to first establish a caliphate in the Sunni-majority regions of Iraq. Next, its leader has sworn that America will be his next target. He’s even threatened Obama directly. We know from reports coming out of Arizona and Texas that ISIS militants are crossing into the U.S. and preparing the next phase of their caliphate. My question is: Will athiests accept Islam or are they prepared to die for their non-belief? Just like in Iraq, you’ll have to choose. I’m interested in hearing what a non-believer will do. Thanks.

    • Avatar of Jon Lindgren Jon Lindgren says:

      Sam 11:48 Thanks for the first time post.

      Will atheists accept Islam or are they prepared to die for their non-belief?

      It’s interesting how we all see things so differently. I thought when 9/11 happened the Christians in the U. S. would see the dangers of a government and a religion, like Afghanistan, mixing together to become a toxic brew. Instead, many Christians seemed to double down and think we needed more Christianity in government, the very source of 9/11.

      Atheists are just as patriotic, perhaps more so in some ways, than Christians, both taken as a whole.

      Please contribute again here on the discussion page. You seem a person with passionate beliefs that add to our discussion.

    • Avatar of realist realist says:

      “Within ten years, Islam will become the largest religion in the United States.”

      I’ve seen this fear stated before, but I can not conceive of how anybody could believe it. How, exactly, is this going to happen? I see no evidence of people in the United States embracing Islam. In fact, the opposite is true. Where does this come from?

      • Sam Yates says:

        It comes from an open border. Have you ever seen 100,000 people pour across it before in less than a year. Islamic and ISIS documents are being found scattered along it. The government would have you to believe that only children are crossing. The children are merely a diversion. If North Dakota was Arizona, I’m certain that would be singing a different tune.

    • Avatar of seaofstories seaofstories says:

      Fables should not be dismissed. They’re extremely important, no matter who’s they are.

  3. Tyndale says:

    2,500 BC would be about the time of Abraham, the Hebrew. His grandson Jacob entered into Egypt and, later on, his offspring were nearly eradicated by Pharaoh. Moses led a remnant out into the wilderness into Canaan where Joshua defeated most of the inhabitants. Around 1,000 BC David was made king and Israel prospered under the hand of Solomon until about 700 BC when the northern tribes were led captive by Assyria and the rest taken by Babylon in about 600 BC. Around 200 BC, the Greeks pushed the Jews to deny their God which led to the Maccabean Revolt. The Roman destruction of the Temple in 70 AD eventually led to another persecution in 130 AD by Hadrian and Jerusalem was renamed Aelia Capitolina.

    Yet, today in 2014 the headlines talk about a nation called Israel. Hardly insignificant I should think.

  4. Avatar of seaofstories seaofstories says:

    Why does stuff that might have happened along the Mediterranean coast keep intruding on a perfectly good post about the Scottish Isles? In addition to its interesting archaeology, Orkney is also home to some of the best Whiskey in the world. Both due in no small part to its dearth of trees.

    • entech says:

      Don’t often disagree with you, but, I found the local whiskey a little harsh.

      • Avatar of seaofstories seaofstories says:

        Too peaty? Try Speyside or Lowland distilleries instead. There are trees there so they don’t use peat fires to stop the malting process. Less of the iodine/sea salt flavors, too.

        • entech says:

          Strath Isla was always my favourite. The captain of one of my ships was from Isla, used to bring some in a lemonade bottle, seems it found its way out of a side door before customs and excise – perhaps something illicit enhanced the flavour :)

          • Wolfy32 says:

            Sometimes I wish I didn’t live in the good ol’ us of a. I wouldn’t mind trying some of these whiskeys you speak of. :)

          • Wanna B Sure says:

            Go to Google. There you will find it. They are available somehow, if you try hard enough. As the saying goes,; “It takes money to buy whiskey”.

          • Avatar of seaofstories seaofstories says:

            Strathisla is a Speyside whiskey.

          • entech says:

            I stand corrected, Laphroaig is the one I was really thinking of. Been so long and the memory is not what it should be. The island is actually Islay but pronounced aila.

        • Avatar of seaofstories seaofstories says:

          Certainly not the peat then. Most of the stuff from Islay is smokier than Highland Park.

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