Why Is the Faith Sometimes Ridiculed?

It is because of people like the Bishop of Springfield, IL, Thomas Paprocki, the faith gets ridiculed.  He will hold an, “exorcism in reparation for the sin of same-sex marriage” when same sex marriage is made legal in Illinois.

The exorcism ceremony is intended to “cast out evil” because same sex marriage, “comes from the devil.”  Dumb me. I thought same sex marriage was the product of people wanting legal and long term relationships.

The Diocese of Springfield has some other things that might better be called the work of the Devil.  One is allegations of abuse of children by priests.  Apparently, that problem does not merit exorcism.

The Diocese has experienced declining numbers in its Catholic schools.  The Bishop could spend some time on that.

Promises of life after death, walking on water and exorcising evil spirits are concepts that would probably, in another society, be considered cult concepts.  Because they are widely accepted in the Western world, cult is not cosidered a politically correct term.

Invisible evil spirits are involved in anti gay Protestant circles, too.  I have a recording of a religious nut talking about how he encircled the San Francisco gay district with Jesus’ blood to keep out evil gay spirits.  I read about a fundamentalist preacher from Muskogee, OK, who went to gay districts in NYC to kill evil spirits.

To the amusement of some of us, the wars between invisible forces of good and invisible forces of bad continue.

http://voices.suntimes.com/early-and-often/politics/springfield-catholic-bishop-plans-prayers-service-over-same-sex-marriage-blasts-illinois-pols-for-twisting-the-words-of-the-pope/

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19 Responses to Why Is the Faith Sometimes Ridiculed?

  1. entech says:

    Why Is the Faith Sometimes Ridiculed?
    Because sometimes it is ridiculous.

  2. H.P. Drifter says:

    The gift of humor with out it, life would be boring, a good laugh is always welcome. Too bad these people mean what they say.

    The part about child abuse is sad, dealing with abused children can be a life time of work for many people.

    H.P. Drifter

  3. pqbd says:

    On reading the antagonistic remarks and responses by some clergy to the notion of gay and lesbian marriage I get a sense of the cold, dark ultimate consequence of their faith. The conciliatory remarks by this new pope might have come from the warm light of love for Christ’s sake. Maybe the good Bishop is just another frustrated showman in a fancy costume, a carnival barker, inviting us to roll up for another magical mystery tour.

  4. H.P. Drifter says:

    Jon

    I am having fun this morning reading about you and Eric going around on matters of the faith. Jon, I see you making your view point, making it stick with almost innate intelligence, I don’t see Eric proving anything other than he has a vivid imagination. Einstein did say “Imagination was more important than intelligence” You get points for this Eric

    I know people are stupid enough to fooled by media, the government, their family and friends, their children every day, we are talking present day here

    Life expectancy at the turn of the last century was 47 years old.

    I let my imagination wonder, what it was like two thousand years ago on the shores of Palestine and just who was in the horde of people following Jesus around. (that is if he did exist at all) just what kind of people?

    Were they literate people in good health, university educated or with a vocation that took some brain power to practice, teachers, lawyers, doctors? Were they perhaps illiterate, itinerate, people with a few diseases or manageable conditions as we call them to day (diabetes, colitis, IBS, prostate problems, urinary tract infections, stomach problems, or maybe a spastic colon) were they self medicating? with hashish and opium or liquor? Were they willing to see and believe everything they heard? Lets say the crowd was mixed half of former and half of the latter.

    My question is how long would it take, if these people were congregated on the banks of the Mississippi River in the Twin Cities or on the beach in LA or the Atlantic City beaches today, to be in police custody for acting strange in public or for violating assemble laws (no permit) or some other city ordinances? (this does not include having ID in your possession) or being a legal resident.

    H.P. Drifter

    • Avatar of Jon Lindgren Jon Lindgren says:

      H. P 2:08 re: who were the early Christians, how would they be seen today.

      I think there is a consensus the earliest fans of Jesus were the lower classes. The literacy rate was between 10-15%. The Jews opposed to Jesus would have been what we, today, would call the “establishment”. They were definitely the majority of Jews at that time. Today, Jews are still unconvinced Jesus was the guy they had been waiting for. It was Paul who came up with a way to market Jesus to a bigger audience, though he never met Jesus and never wrote what Jesus occupied himself with in his life nearby.

      It’s ironic that today, believers in Jesus are the establishment and skeptics, including Jews and atheists, are on the outside in inner circle.

      There are some good arguments there was a literal traveling Jewish preacher named Jesus around that time. There are no good corroberating non religious surviving documents of such a person, but still good arguments. Documentation that he had a big following, died to offset sin, came back to life or did anything unusual basically do not exist.

      • Henry says:

        Jon: “I think there is a consensus the earliest fans of Jesus were the lower classes.”

        Yes, Jesus Christ did the work. Jesus called the disciples, “Follow me.” The fishermen, et al responded by faith and met the qualifications to serve, therefore becoming the “earliest fans”.

        • StanB says:

          And then went on to create a book which is the largest selling in the history of mankind……what a bunch of rubes (sarcasm off)

  5. Brad says:

    That’s the sad thing about religion. It often gives God, faith, and spirituality a bad name.

  6. Brad says:

    “It’s ironic that today, believers in Jesus are the establishment and skeptics”

    Actually, the establishment “say” they believe in Jesus. They don’t actually practice anything he taught (in fact they do the opposite). So they are not really believers, they just use Jesus as a pawn for their own agenda which is decidedly anti-Jesus.

    • Avatar of Jon Lindgren Jon Lindgren says:

      Brad 3:48, 3:45 Good observations, both.

    • Henry says:

      Brad: “They don’t actually practice anything he taught (in fact they do the opposite). So they are not really believers…..”

      As usual, that seems a stretch. However, there is a little truth in that as well. It is a good thing our salvation is not dependent on our “goodness”, rather our good works are a result of Christ in us.

    • entech says:

      It is not so much that they “say” they believe, they actually do believe, so many people believe they just have their versions of God or whatever. There are so many versions, maybe as many as one for each believer, to save a lot of confusion they are all called Jesus.

      • Avatar of realist realist says:

        “they are all called Jesus”

        Well stated. Do you suppose anyone would be honest enough to identify their precise “Jesus”? Jesus, a.k.a. power; Jesus, a.k.a money, Jesus, a.k.a. sex, Jesus, a.k.a. comfort. So many insecurities; just one Jesus doesn’t do the trick.

  7. H.P. Drifter says:

    Jon

    Thanks for your thoughts. 10 to 15 percent were literate. I really can’t see the difference between now and then nor the twelve century where the lord of the manner knew math and language, the people who practiced religion and worked the fields at that time were illiterate.

    Now we have ten or 15 percent of the people (the establishment, that have all the money and brains) and the rest practice religion, except a few of us secular people who rear out heads in the crowd to comment on why must the system of thought suppression must be keep in practice

    I know our ranks are growing, unfortunately I doubt personally that I will ever benefit. Eric should feel good his people are still alive and well and functioning in today’s world like they did two thousand years ago. A point for Eric. Ignorance is bliss, I think not, or Eric or people like him wouldn’t be trying so hard to be the moral authority and guide the rest of us to salvation. For the life of me I can’t understand why this people would take time to tell the likes of me what to do.

    Those of us that do see the light, watch it shine brightly and read beneath it. Last night I was reading Mario Vargas Llosa “Making Waves” great entertainment, a great intellect and wit. Literally laughed myself to sleep. Feel great today inside the Arab tent. (no muslims) I just have the tent a nice one, goes where we go.

    H.P. Drifter

    • StanB says:

      H P, in the twelfth century literacy was centered in the church. The rich hired clerks (from the root cleric [clergy and other religious]) to do thier writing. Even most kings and nobility had little literacy or math learning. The Church was the center of learning at the time. Most of the riffraff spent the day trying to find or produce enough to eat, working dusk to dawn and sleeping through the night because candles were expensive.

      You seem to have a little problem with your understanding of history. It wasn’t just like today but 800 years earlier….in fact the press hadn’t been invented yet so books were very expensive. A man with 100 books had a great library.

      • entech says:

        Slight correction, it was the vampires that worked dusk to dawn, the common man the peasant or serf worked from dawn to dusk (I know it was a typo but I couldn’t resist, the devil made me do it).
        One of the main burdens on the common man (or riffraff as you so charitably call them) was that he had to produce or find enough food to feed the clergy before he could start on getting some for himself.

  8. H.P. Drifter says:

    Stan

    Obviously you haven’t read much on the royalty of twelve century. It was these folks who penned the Magna Carta (not the clergy). To limit the kings power. The lord of the manner was fully versed in Math, logic, Language and a half dozen other subjects, this is why he had his possessions and could run a business so he could pay tribute. The Church played a big part in everybody’s life. It was the clergy that made sure the nobles had God on their side for this they were rewarded richly. When they went into battle.

    H.P. Drifter

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