How Can Gay Marriage be a Sin When So Many Churches Approve?

The Pope used his Christmas publicity blitz to demonize his favorite target, gay marriage.

Nevertheless, the march toward national approval of gay marriage continues without pause.  Today we learned gay marriages will be performed in the National Cathedral in Washington, DC.

I’ve wondered how much collection plate money is spent on the foolish opposition to gay marriage.  A small army of clergy and politicians have made some of their living bashing it.  When they see it’s finally time to stop, they will have to cast about for some other group to demonize.

My assessment is conservative churches, including the Catholic Church, need to study contemporary culture more carefully before deciding which sin to run up the flagpole.  When they paste a big label of SIN on something, and then have to drop it because the public ignores them, they have egg on their faces.

They made a big mistake on this one.  But it’s not the first.  The Catholic Church made another by outlawing birth control that was not “natural”.  Catholic couples have decided for themselves what is “natural” and ignored their clergy.

I learned years ago the relatively small number of gays in the electorate disguises their political and economic clout.  When one adds up extended family and personal friends, they are a formidable force.

They are able to run over all the Popes and preachers who label it sin.  A gay wedding gala at the National Cathedral is coming up.

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23 Responses to How Can Gay Marriage be a Sin When So Many Churches Approve?

  1. Henry says:

    Jon: “need to study contemporary culture more carefully before deciding which sin to run up the flagpole.”

    So we determine our theology from whichever direction the wind blows on any given day? I don’t think it is wise to follow that atheist reasoning.

    Using Jon’s reasoning, slavery could become a valid activity again if society considers it normal or “contemporary”.

    • Avatar of Dustin White Dustin White says:

      It is interesting that you brought up slavery. Slavery was a valid activity, one that was not considered a sin, as it was considered normal or “contemporary.” Theology was quite effected by what the church saw as being normal in that case. It was only after a harsh battle that the idea changed, and really, that was when society in general was beginning to fight against slavery.

      Slavery is actually a perfect example of what Jon was talking about.

  2. Avatar of Mac Mac says:

    I’ve been in another dry spell, but I had to share this news on my blog page today as well. I took a different spin in that if conservatives really want to blend law and religion, they’d better be ready for what they get. :) It seems the National Cathedral did just that.

    And Henry, slavery will only become valid again if people of influence convince the masses that the Bible (or whichever holy book has the majority) says God favors it.

    Personally, I’m pushing toward outlawing blended fibers ala Deut 22:11. I mean, seriously. Poly cotton? Talk about a ticket straight to hell.

    • Avatar of Jon Lindgren Jon Lindgren says:

      Mac 2:34 Welcome back.
      “And Henry, slavery will only beocome valid again if people of influence convince the masses that the Bible..says God favors it.”

      Good one. :) The Ten Commandments tells us not to covet our neighbor’s slaves.

    • Blended fabrics was all about mixing things that should not be mixed, in order to avoid mixing and intermingling with the pagan nations around Israel. Now such rules are a non-issue, because we are a new Israel that incorporates Gentiles on the basis of faith in Jesus, not on the basis of adopting Jewish culture. God was attempting to keep his people separate and distinct. They did not obey and were carried off into captivity.

      • Avatar of Jon Lindgren Jon Lindgren says:

        Michael 5:25 “God was attempting to keep his people separate and distinct. They did not obey and were carried off into captivity.”

        Thank you for providing the basis for the U. S. Civil War and those opposed to the civil rights movement. Is interracial marriage still a sin, or, has that been changed?

        • To keep them spiritually pure he had to keep them racially pure. To day it would translate into Christians not inter-marrying with non-christians. There is nothing racial about it now had really was nothing racial back then. King Solomon was a good example of disobedience to this prohibition. He had 700 wives and concubines, many of the foreign and ended up worshiping their gods.
          And the civil war was not about interracial marriage or even slavery. It was about taxes, tarrifs, and states rights.

          It is incredible how you atheists always take the moral high ground.

    • Henry says:

      Mac: “slavery will only become valid again if people of influence convince the masses that the Bible (or whichever holy book has the majority) says God favors it.”

      I don’t think you have that one quite right big mac. The bible favors slavery? I know it acknowledges slavery as the custom back in the day. “Favoring” it? That might be a stretch.

      Just strictly relying on atheist logic (particularly Jon’s) of relying on the whim of the moment, it does leave open the possibility of slavery. What is funny is that the atheists throw the stones at the Christian house, but they live in a glass house that is logically very fragile.

  3. Greg says:

    How can the world be round when so many say it is flat?

  4. buzz marick says:

    mainstream religion is chasing the almighty dollar and being so heavenly minded their no earthly good

  5. Steve says:

    Even if every church was in favor of gay marriage, it would not change God’s mind, nor would it change the Word He has already spoken:

    “For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”

    The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

    For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

    Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

    Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

    Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.” – Romans 1:16-32 (NIV)

    Sorry, Jon, God doesn’t grade on a curve. The blessings come when you walk towards Him, not away from Him. I’m thankful to have a church home where folks understand this.

    • Avatar of Jon Lindgren Jon Lindgren says:

      Steve 4:18 Thanks for the first time post.

      We’ve had a hundred of some posts quoting scripture, yours may be longest. I’m afraid you have an error in your application of the references to “unnatural sex”. These references actually are referring to the practice of having sex while standing. That’s my opinion.

      • Steve says:

        I find it hard to imagine God asking those folks when it’s time for judgment whether they were doing it standing or in some other position, Jon. You’ re straining the gnat and swallowing the camel; trying to ignore the main point (the unnatural attraction of man-to-man and woman-to-woman) on a technicality.

        • Avatar of Jon Lindgren Jon Lindgren says:

          Steve 4:46 “on a technicality.”

          That is what a person would say when he is absolutely confident he knows what the language of a thousand or two years ago meant. The only problem is there are millions of such people and they come up with many versions of what it means.

    • Margaret Walsh says:

      If there is a God, we certainly can’t prove it and we have absolutely no idea what She thinks!! Ha Ha had to say she….no proof either!

      Sin is a human construct imposed by religion. True morality is a higher level of behavior that is truly and selflessly difficult to obtain and is achieved bit by bit over time through experience, introspection & inner self motivation, respect and responsibility. It helps if the person has such a person to model. Of course we fail at times, but we learn from it and find a way to not repeat it.

      Gayness is just another expression of normal human behavior and these wonderful people like my son and his loving, precious partner need to have the same right and ability to marry as anyone else.

      My ‘spiritual’ views are Do unto to others; Do not judge; Care for those who have less……pretty simple and definitley promoted by the prophet Jesus, Ghandi, Buddha, etc….thus a cultural universal.

      No time to explain more, my Mormon raised but athiest believing; precious Mother in law died and the celebration of her unique life is tomorrow. This kind, helpful, caring, social justice advocating, anti-war woman, who never deliberately hurt anyone will wind up in a heaven if there is one. She and her deceased athiest husband were some of the most moral people I have ever known.

  6. Avatar of Mac Mac says:

    Michael, thanks for providing yet another example of how people of faith pat others on the head and say ‘there, there, this is what that verse REALLY means’ and in the next breath say ‘no, no, that other verse means literally what this current translations says.’
    My question remains “How do I get to be the one who decides which ones society follows and which ones we ignore?”

  7. Steve is the only one who makes any sense. God will NOT be mocked.

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