Is Obama Religious?

Many voters, mostly Republicans of course, blow off Obama’s expressions of faith as insincere politically posturing.  They have no idea of what is in his head, neither do I.

Some who are really into what other people think about religion are sure to think they know what Obama’s faith is all about.  They note carefully who he talks to, listens to and what he says in public about religion.

From this, one writer has made a detailed analysis of where the President has traveled in his head on faith.  He thinks Obama’s faith when entering into the White House was one of social justice, seeing justice for the less fortunate as a focus of the scriptures.  Now, he thinks Obama has become closer to a pentecostal, seeing the faith all about a personal relationship with the god.

The evidence for this transformation is the people he confers with and what he says publicly about his faith.

The author below refers to Obama’s faith as “out of the box”.  What he does and says does not fit into categories like pastors do.

This seems consistent in that much of what he does doesn’t fit neatly into a conservative or liberal box.  It’s some of each.  That kind of criticism has been made of all recent Presidents.

The thing I want most from a President is him not saying, “I prayed about this, and reached the following conclusion.”

I want him to take responsibility for his decisions, not act like some god told him what to do.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/27/in-obamas-first-term-an-evolving-christian-faith-and-a-more-evangelical-style/

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35 Responses to Is Obama Religious?

  1. Barbara says:

    Jon: The thing I want most from a President is him not saying, “I prayed about this, and reached the following conclusion.” I want him to take responsibility for his decisions, not act like some god told him what to do.
    Not to be a smart aleck, but AMEN to that!

  2. Obama is very religious….he worships himself. But then that would be Idol Worship I suppose.
    Obama is a sham in every way possible…..he is an incompetent president, a coward , a prevaricator to the max…..he has done nothing but harm this nation..probably deliberately since he has desires to turn us into another socialist/marxist shell of a nation like the shells of nations left in Europe.

    • Avatar of Jon Lindgren Jon Lindgren says:

      buffalogal 12:54 You provided us with a critique but left out he is a Muslim and has no U. S. birth certificate.

      I suppose you missed Bill Clinton’s talk last night. I have connections. I could have arranged to have your picture taken with him. It could have been you on the front page of the Forum, arm around him, instead of Heidi. : )

    • Henry says:

      Kay: “he (Obamba) worships himself.”

      Jon: “I have connections. I could have arranged….”

      Birds of a feather flock together. American Idle last night in Fargo.

    • Avatar of Demosthenes Demosthenes says:

      From Kay:

      “Obama is very religious….he worships himself. But then that would be Idol Worship I suppose.”

      “so omnipotent that you can put words in other people’s mouth? Stop mouthing your blatant ignorance.”

      What is the word for this? Hippo? Hip Hop… Oh Yeah, Hypocrite!

      Jon was being sarcastic , you actually believe this crap.

      ” Idol Worship” Really? Let’s not count stations of the cross, Roseary’s, Giant Jesus Crosses, Necklaces with Crosses, White Jesus pictures, and my favorite the all knowing “Rule Book”. Cause it isn’t idol worship when the shoe fits. Right Christians?

  3. what a thoughtless stupid remark from Jon Lindgren: “..you left out he is a Muslim and has no US birthcertificate”
    Do you always think that you are so omnipotent that you can put words in other people’s mouth?
    Stop mouthing your blatant ignorance.

    • Avatar of Jon Lindgren Jon Lindgren says:

      buffalogal 2:23 “What a thoughtless stupid remark for Jon Lindgren.”

      Gosh, I just thought that since you believed all those other things about Obama, that he worshipped himself, is incompetent, etc., you would believe he is Muslim and not a citizen. Apparently, I was incorrect.

      • Stan says:

        Jon, it is obvious when he claims he is the smartest man in the room, knows mthe jobs of his advisors better then they do and gets so put out whenever someone disagrees with him. A narcissist complex if I ever saw one. People who knew him way back when said he also claimed to be a prince.

  4. Michael Ross says:

    Some say obama is the Anti-Christ:

    https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=obama+antichrist&oq=obama+ant&gs_l=hp.1.0.0l10.5527.11702.0.15038.9.9.0.0.0.0.110.842.6j3.9.0.les%3Beqn%2Crate_low%3D0-035%2Crate_high%3D0-035%2Cmin_length%3D2%2Ccconf%3D1-2%2Csecond_pass%3Dfalse%2Cnum_suggestions%3D1%2Cignore_bad_origquery%3Dtrue..0.0…1c.1.GQfV7kdIfhc

    Some said the same of G.W. Bush. I believe they are both right. Jesus said “The Son of Man has not come to be served but to serve and give His life a ransom for many”(Matt. 20:28). The Spirit of Christ is to serve. The spirit of Anti-christ is conquer, dominate and rule over. That’s just what America is doing in foreign lands by bombing, invading, occupying, and nation building. The most Christian-founded nation in history is now the Anti-christ nation. Or as the Muslims call us, “The Great Satan. In that sense Obama is devoutly religious.

    • Avatar of Demosthenes Demosthenes says:

      “The most Christian-founded nation….”

      Where on earth did you learn this? Last I checked it was almost the exact opposite of how America was brought about through the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution. In fact a secular government was the founders idea whole heartily. Stupid Christian Revisionists please leave for heaven sooner rather than later.

      • Henry says:

        D-: “Stupid….”

        You are a little edgy this morning, Demo. Have you decided to forego the medication? or some kind of recreational after effect?

        • Avatar of Demosthenes Demosthenes says:

          H -: It is possible that I am a bit low in the caffeine department, but if you are of the cloth that this is a “Christian Founded Nation”. I would say you are an idiot until proven otherwise. This is not to say that I think you believe this….. but if you did.

        • Stan says:

          Must have bombed his Critical Thinking 101 class.

          • Avatar of Jon Lindgren Jon Lindgren says:

            Stan You seem to like Bill Clinton as much as Buffalogal likes Obama. The comments remind me of a story my sister-in-law told me of her parents. Her father belonged to a faith the practiced temperance. He bragged he only took one drink during his entire life, it was the day Roosevelt died.

          • Stan says:

            I would have joined him. Economists not so loyal to the Democrats claim the only thing that pulled us out of the depression was World war Two.

          • Avatar of Jon Lindgren Jon Lindgren says:

            Stan 12:46 “Economists not so loyal to the Democrats claim the only thing that pulled us out of the depression was World War II.”

            At the risk of being labeled a smart ass, I must point out the problem with that argument. It goes like this:
            Solution A: The government spent money on public works projects and the depression ended.
            Conclusion: Government spending, not private spending, ended the depression.
            Solution B: WWII required massive spending and the depression ended.
            Conclusion: Government spending, not private spending, ended the depression.

            That is, the WWII argument is Keynesian.

  5. GOSH YES J.L.—-you are very incorrect.

  6. Stan says:

    “I want him to take responsibility for his decisions, not act like some god told him what to do.”

    Yes, who really told the two CIA personnel to “stand down” three times when they said they were going to the consulate to fight the terrorist attack? And then refused to allow the AC-130 to help them?

    Have you noticed we are heading to Mali soon? So many terrorists so few drones. His “kill list” just gets longer and longer.

    How many countries has Obama bombed with drones? Pakistan, North Yemen, South Yemen, Somalia, Libya. Giving weapons to Al Qaeda in Syria. nice “Peace” prize.

    • pk says:

      Don’t forget backing Al Qaeda in Egypt and Libya, then shipping them to Syria and Iran. Most people don’t realize that we’re in a covert war with Iran using Al Qaeda right now. Then the government thinks we’re so stupid they say Iran is working with Al Qaeda. It’s crazy land.

  7. And I accept the apology……don’t mess with Old People Jon.

  8. pk says:

    I think Obama’s Freemasonic G-Ring and the other Islamic and pagan rings and charms he’s always wearing and carrying tells us what his religion is. But i suppose that’s a conspiracy theory too. Kay is right about his intentions for this country. The Mormon Romney isn’t much different in his intentions though. It doesn’t matter who gets elected, unless of course it’s Gary Johnson or Ron Paul, but that boats already sailed.

    • Wanna B Sure says:

      Ever hear of “The White Horse Prophesy?” Considering the apocolyptic/theocratic elements in Mormonism, it is worth looking into. Be advised, it is also an opportunity for consperatorial theorists, which one should be aware of, but avoided. Historical evidence for it and recent denial of it. See Sandra Tanner.

      • pk says:

        Yes, i believe that’s the one that basically says that one day in America the Constitution will be gravelly threatened, and since Mormons consider the Constitution a divinely inspired document, a Mormon would become President and save the country and the world. I’m not an expert on Mormonism, but from my research Joseph Smith and the initial church leadership were all Freemasons and this prophecy has been there from the beginning. They have blood rites and similar rituals to the various masonic fraternities. It could be considered a masonic secret society. It’s also an anti-Christ religion, that is it doesn’t recognize Jesus as the Messiah. Very interesting stuff.

        • pk says:

          Looking at our situation with the deterioration of the Constitution in the name of fighting terrorism and drug dealers, it is interesting that this very slick Mormon is in a very good position to become President.

          • Wanna B Sure says:

            And the appointments? ? ?- – - Along with the public validation? ? ? “So Few Over So Many”? ? ? Nah.

          • pk says:

            Can you explain what you mean exactly?

          • Wanna B Sure says:

            If Romney wins, He will be in a position to appoint many office positions of like-minded people. In the Supreme Court, White House Staff, and administration positions. The public validation is self explanitory to a populist. The “so many over so few” harkens back to past totalitarian/semi totalitarianism. 1930′s Europe? I don’t see it remotely happening, but it is a thought.

          • Wanna B Sure says:

            That being said, I’m not really into politics.

          • pk says:

            Oh sure. The hundreds of executive orders that would allow the President to completely take control of the country, bypassing the Legislative Branch, is the big Trojan Horse that would make this scenario possible. He wouldn’t need to get his people approved. You have to admit it is kind of interesting that the most Marxist President in history is being opposed, and very possibly defeated, by a high Mormon in a time that the Constitution is being eroded. But Romney is backed by the Neo-Cons that really kicked off the big time attack on the Constitution after 911, so i find it hard to believe Romney is going to restore the Constitution. But he could become a dictator in the name of saving it, just like all the other dictators in history have good sounding excuses for doing what they do.

    • Wanna B Sure says:

      The “Key” is “When the constitution is hanging by a thread…..”. Occasionally repeated by prominent Mormons in the past and currently, (Beck). Almost like a “code word”. Just enough to give one pause? ? ?

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