Anti Gay Open House, No One Came.

The President signed the end of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.  Tony Perkins of Focus on Family and others are expressing rage.

It’s the usual grievances: The survey of soldiers finding it’s OK was biased.  Military leaders who think it’s OK are under White House pressure.  Chaplains who hate gays cannot practice their “religion”.

The interesting, and I would say politically foolish thing they pitch, is that Congress should stop implimentation before the repeal takes effect.  My guess is Congress will not do this.  They know something gay haters do not:  The anti -gays-in-the-military politics have changed.

The same thing is happening in New York City.  A bishop there is having a cow over his State’s decision to allow gay marriage.  He is trying to rally opposition.  Nothing much seems to be happening.

These anti gay branches of the Christian faith are on the ropes, but seem to think they are inches from winning.  They think the power they have over their followers extends to the general public.

Thank goodness, some branches of the faith either never participated in gay demonization or did so only for a while and moved on.  Thanks, too, for the secular people like atheists who saw the cruelity of anti gay demonization and never participated.

There are many obstacles in the path of full acceptance of and opportunities for our gay and lesbian citizens.  But, this time prayers of Bible thumpers were ignored.

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I am a former President of the Red River Freethinkers in Fargo, ND, a retired NDSU economics professor and was Mayor of Fargo for 16 years.
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14 Responses to Anti Gay Open House, No One Came.

  1. Bob says:

    I just don’t get what business it is what anyone else does in the bedroom, or who we love.
    The only reason I think gays having to fight for rights is even an issue is because of the biblical texts.
    “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have comitted an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” Leviticus 20:13
    Its passages like this that make the bible a terrible moral compass for humanity. All of them should be burned (voluntarily), along with the koran and the torah.
    Does this mean its okay to be a lesbian though? I don’t think lesbians are mentioned in the bible.

    • Avatar of Breezy Belle Breezy Belle says:

      The truth of the matter is; the Bible was written by MEN. Then the question becomes – does a person believe in what the men who wrote the book say (that the words, and the guidance, were given to them by God) or does a person believe that the book was written, rather, as a reflection of the times in order to guide the general public to a widely accepted belief?

      It isn’t so far a stretch to believe that those who wrote the Bible had a personal aversion to homosexuality, and sought to identify those who were homosexual as unacceptably different from the social norm… in an attempt to shame those people “into the closet”. Out of sight – out of mind… problem solved, apparently.

      Or… not. Obviously human beings have been both heterosexual and homosexual since, well… since human beings have been in existence. And so, obviously, has homophobia… regardless of how advanced or enlightened we as humans claim to be as our history rolls on…

      Some things, sadly, never change.

  2. Avatar of Mac Mac says:

    Bob, there’s a reference or two to ‘woman lie with woman’. It’s been my experience no one really cares about what lesbians are up to. Personally I think the reason has something to do with Freudian psychology.

  3. Bob says:

    Could you please give me the verses on those lesbian passages?

    • Avatar of Mac Mac says:

      Bob, here’s the only one I could find quickly.

      Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their
      women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way
      the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed
      with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men,
      and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
      (Romans 1:26-27)

  4. Henry says:

    In reference to the “anti gay open house”, I am not sure what your source was, Jon. I couldn’t find anything on a rally or an open house. Seems like somebody was making stuff up. Perkins made a statement, though.

    FRC President Tony Perkins issued the following statement:

    “America’s military has barred homosexual conduct in the ranks ever since George Washington’s Continental Army. President Obama, Secretary Panetta and Admiral Mullen have no basis – other than liberal political correctness – for ‘certifying’ that a reversal of this longstanding policy would do no harm.

    “Even the Pentagon’s biased report on the subject last year illustrated the dangers of using the military for social engineering. Retention would be harmed – 24 percent of service members said repeal would have a negative impact on their ‘intentions to remain in the military,’ a number six times higher than those who said it would have a positive effect. Recruiting would be harmed – repeal was four times more likely to have a negative than a positive effect on ‘your willingness to recommend’ a military career. Unit cohesion would be harmed – 62 percent foresaw at least some negative effects, and the report conceded that in open forums, ‘the majority of views were against repeal.’

    “The entire process by which the Obama administration has orchestrated repeal of this law was dishonest from the start. The recent revelation of a Defense Department Inspector General’s report on unauthorized leaks to the media showed that the conclusions of the Pentagon’s report on repeal had already been written before the troops were even asked their views.

    “I urge Congress to put the brakes on ‘repeal implementation’ to investigate this scandal, and to reverse the ill-advised decision of last year’s repudiated Democratic lame duck Congress.”

    • Avatar of Jon Lindgren Jon Lindgren says:

      Henry 9:02 Thanks for including Tony Perkins’ press release. It is full of the same case he has been making since day one.

      The military belongs to all Americans. That is why it was integrated by President Harry Truman and women were added in recent decades. To have the military be the tool of people prejudiced against gays would be against its very purpose. This has been studied to death and the conclusion is it must be done. I’m proud our President and the brass are moving forward.

      • Avatar of Mac Mac says:

        Henry, a question: hasn’t the military frowned on sexual relations between personnel all along? It was my understanding servicemen and women could get in some trouble for that. It is strictly homosexual activity that’s prohibited?

        I think Mr Perkins may be overreacting. The military is not encouraging any kind of sexual relations at all. Simply equal treatment for all service personnel.

        I heard a speaker once who said this should actually lessen risk for the US, since a very strong blackmail tactic for both our enemies and rivals will be removed. No one will risk losing a 30 year career for someone finding out their gay; hence no one will be tempted to put the US at risk to keep their secret.

      • Henry says:

        The next step is to get handicapped people in wheelchairs enlisted. You shouldn’t discriminate. Don’t stop at the homos. It is not surprising to have the void thumpers be for gay indoctination of the military.

        • Avatar of Mac Mac says:

          Boy, Henry, there sure seems to be a lot of people that don’t meet your standards of value to society.

          Perhaps you’d like to grace us with a list of professions that people in wheelchairs should be allowed to embark upon?

          • Henry says:

            Uhm….mac…..I was advocating for handicapped people to be in the military under the guise of all inclusiveness.

        • Avatar of Mac Mac says:

          Of course, how foolish of me to misunderstand.

  5. Avatar of bullfrog says:

    My vision of positive social engineering is an all gay military.

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